You guys are slowly killing Graves...you attack his early game when the point of him is to be a early game champion...if he doesn't snowball during the early stages he's worthless because he's pretty close ranged/squishy when not fed and easy to exploit in terms of counterplay. But what ever..
Squishy???????,
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You guys are slowly killing Graves...
I have to disagree since he is very strong before this patch. Top tier jungle pick, was banworthy.
you attack his early game when the point of him is to be a early game champion...
Except that he isn't. Graves excels at scaling by outfarming. His clear speed and efficiency is what makes him a monster. His early ganks are pretty awful when you compare him to real early game champions like Lee Sin
if he doesn't snowball during the early stages he's worthless
He scales pretty well if he just farms. He doesn't need to snowball. He makes a great "midline" champion and has a lot of burst.
because he's pretty close ranged/squishy when not fed
Close range I'll grant you. However, he gets bonus armor to counter this and he often builds bruiserish to take up a front line role. If you're not building him that way, that might be a problem with your builds rather than Graves as a champion.
and easy to exploit in terms of counterplay. But what ever..
How do you stop the champion that just farms much faster than you and wins by having item advantage all game? He doesn't take any risk for it either. They aren't even butchering him like they did to Azir, he is still going to be good.
