Zoe is a okay design except for one thing

Pupel·12/4/2017, 8:58:08 PM·30 votes·1,795 views

It is too difficult to punish her for getting on her. Everything about this champ says that she is a long range mage with great burst. However unlike with most long range mages she can defend herself to easily when she in engaged upon. Her bubble is just too good of a tool for self peel. I don't mind that she can 1 shot me from a mile away as long as when I get the jump on her ass she can't just bubble me point blank and still blow me up. Maybe a xereth type of change like with his stun her bubble is less effective at short range.

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Stillshade12/4/2017, 9:43:21 PM13 votes

ahris the same way though. she has an instant charm to peel, and 3 dashes.

Akumu12/5/2017, 3:45:17 AM7 votes

Uhhh no? Zoe literally instantly dies when someone jumps on her. Even if you E someone by the time the sleep triggers you've lost 60% of your health bar. If you're a champion with gap closers you should be able to survive the Q she does with ease as it certainly wont be full damage.

She is extremely weak to champs with gap closers.

KhaˆŹix12/4/2017, 10:19:47 PM4 votes

the only people that think zoe is okay are the ones abusing her

Kitten of Evil12/5/2017, 12:11:42 AM4 votes

Part of the problem is there's very little window for anyone to go in against her, since her E partially refunds CD just for hitting something.

Troll for Trump12/5/2017, 2:13:14 AM4 votes

a long range mage

She isn't really. She's too risky to be long range. it's not like Xerath or ziggs where she gets to sit in the back all the time, she needs to jump in every once in a while through ult. Her Q isn't very long range, it's really just the bubble.

However unlike with most long range mages she can defend herself to easily when she in engaged upon.

She has less tools than most long range champs to defend herself with. Bubble is on a delay too. She has one semi-reliable way to self-peel that's also tied to how she can do dmg. That's really not much. W is just a slot machine. Even Xerath has arguably more self peel with both his slow and E.

She doesn't need a xerath-type change. Xerath has more consistently long range.

Her W is too sketchy.

Phoenix Incite12/5/2017, 3:21:07 AM4 votes

I disagree - Zoe is very effective for self-defense in 1v1 when her E (Bubble) is up - but bait her into wasting it, have her miss, or use Clarity to remove it, and she's quite dead.

Zoe also has limited ability to defend her self in a 1v2 situation.

No, her E isn't that broken if you're using effective counterplay.

yeulx12/4/2017, 9:45:51 PM4 votes

yeah but zoes bubble takes a few seconds to activate you know how many times ive been bursted before my sleep went off on the person.. alot.. from things like nocturn her kit is extremely ok for what it is.. tho i do think the CDR on her E is a bit much

Modl Ryden l12/5/2017, 4:31:49 AM4 votes

I feel like they should double the CD on her E. But if she lands it, gives her a significant refund in it's CD. Much like Gnar's Q.

SaltLord45112/5/2017, 12:44:34 AM3 votes

item 3140 item 3139 summoner 1 I use these and Zoe is still irritating to play against

Solidair312/5/2017, 4:38:34 PM2 votes

I think the key to Zoe is going in when her bubble is on cooldown. After all, it has a significant cooldown, especially early on. If she's not using it at all, she's not very threatening, because her Q is very easy to dodge when you're not asleep.

Like I get what you mean, but besides what I've said, her E has a ridiculous wind up before the spell goes off, it's not too hard to dodge. As soon as you see her hands go up move. You can tell where she's casing it and if you can avoid it, it's not too hard to kill her.

I'm not saying every champ can deal with her easily, but it's possible. People aren't punishing her when she's vulnerable yet, but they'll learn.

Çhåryzård12/4/2017, 10:21:18 PM2 votes

Either that or increase the cooldown on her E.

Later in the game it feels like she's just spamming it.

Oleandervine12/5/2017, 3:47:46 PM2 votes

I think Zoe has a lot of balance problems that should have been solved long before she went live. There is absolutely no excuse that the majority of her kit's power should be so loaded into Q and E, it is simply bad design. Q is an absolute gimmick, and E is just extra to the max. They really need to strip out some of the power from Q and E and spread it out more into her W and passive, which are the weakest parts of her kit. W is just laughably bad as an ability - I mean I get it, and how it can be useful, but the whole reliance on RNG and it's overall incoherence by giving bursts of mobility and close range damage in a kit that revolves around nuking people from miles away is just schizophrenic. Her passive also suffers from this too, and is nothing more than a very lame little burst of damage for killing minions.

ModAcademy Kayn12/5/2017, 1:47:07 AM2 votes

Go in after she misses her bubble then.

Ahri Baka12/5/2017, 4:58:30 PM2 votes

Actually I'm ok against her , she is like a free kill to me in early , also her bubble isn't fast enough , so I can either flash away so that she can't kill me or burst her if she has a low hp , but I hate it in late if I'm walking in the jungle and find myself getting killed from 1 q xD but it's ok , her skill shots are easy to dodge , but her q cd is a short so you can't flash again if you miss your skillshots , at the end she is a normal champion like any mage , not op or anything , but sometines the delay on her sleep is op if you are chasing , also if you dive her and she hits her e , the first tower hit will set you free so you can keep diving , soooo can't say she is op but I'd lie her ult her with Vi while she uses ult and see what happens :3

Tausif200212/6/2017, 1:14:50 AM1 votes

IMO what they should do is to make the true damage on her e magic damage and reduce the cdr just a little so she can't spam it and if she gets stunned/rooted during her ult she doesn't teleport back to her original spot. But then again i don't know too well what the main problems on Zoe are.

Dead flag blues12/5/2017, 1:22:37 PM1 votes

I'd say the only thing about her that I feel wrong is when you get 40% cdr. You can spam bubbles forever, I even did that thing when an enemy got put to sleep by a bubble, and the spell was back when the effect didn't end yet

Malix Farwin12/5/2017, 1:26:47 PM1 votes

If there were a change for her it would have to be removing the reset on her bubble.

swagpingu0112/5/2017, 7:01:17 PM1 votes

well also she is i think one of the rare case of champions that can get, even if not so big, a reward for missing a skillshot, her E trap that provides her team zoning...i wont like to step on her missed skillshot and have a butterfly as a counter for my death timer and see my name changing from swagpingu01 to DROWSY and then ASLEEP and in the end see my screen becoming grey... you konw what i mean...