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Top Lane - Jungle. The game i've enjoyed for 6+ years in the gutter.

Yasiven Jhinsin·2/27/2018, 9:06:27 PM·38 votes·3,704 views

Top lane used to be the premier mechanical matchup. Counter picks existed but you could play around them. It wasn't a lane you could simply safely farm in. Duelists, high mechanical bruisers, tanks that had to play smart in order to survive the lane phase. This lane required skill. Solo kills would happen quite often and that was two evenly matched players. Now its the WORST lane in the game, with the WORST sense of reward. Back then if two people were evenly skilled they'd duke it out. Now its if both players are evenly skilled its whoever has the better jungler. The champs that thrive in top right now are the most boring mindless champs in the game. Dueling is almost unheard of, and when they are it often turns into okay you can beat me ill just run away. Tanks out duel, duelists. Mages and ranged champs are all of a sudden the best split pushers. Bully's get bullied by tanks. Adc lb feels better than bruisers as a damage source top laner. There is something insanely wrong here and I don't see it getting better anytime soon.

Solo queue - game balance is more around teamplay than ever before, yet solo queue the predominant queue system, is based around joining just yourself or with a friend. The time of you're better than the enemy team you can 1v5 them is over. Now you're better than the enemy team but I hope at least 2 of my teammates can step up and help is in. This game has become SO unrewarding its unreal.

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JackMcSnipeyz2/28/2018, 11:20:18 AM15 votes

Before Riot changed toplane: "Wtf rito toplane is an island everyone forgets i exist give objective top" After riot shifts focus to toplane: "WTF Riot there's this thing called jungle and now he ganks my lane sometimes! Unplayable give us the old 1v1 duels back".

Wow, you get ganked by jungler? Boo hoo welcome to league of legends literaly anyone in the game can have his lane ruined by the jungler idk how toplane requires a special anti bully treatment

kurnubego2/28/2018, 9:14:40 AM10 votes

If you think that the game is mainly about mechanical outplays 1v1 when you're playing wrong game. Game will continue to go more 5v5 oriented as it's simply better way to play the game. 3 man even 4 man gank rotations will become more and more common even in lower elos, champions which contribute more to 5v5 engages will become more meta than those which do not. It's not something devs do, it's what player-base is moving towards as player base is evolving in their understanding of the game.

In turn, toxic fellows like hashinshin will find harder and harder time to find victories if he doesn't adjust and learn how to play. We are never getting season 2 back. We are never getting season 3 back. And it has nothing to do with what developers did. It's simply players not being clueless idiots anymore about what wins games. Rito just fallows and balances the path player-base set themselves on.

Once you get better at macro, you'll never see a shift back to micro. And at perfect high skill play, if both parties play well, solo kills do not happen, unless there is something beyond players control like jungler / roams / rotations.

buPPDrmXEO2/28/2018, 5:34:25 AM8 votes

When you

Give massive HP regen to red buff for no reason
Introduce plants in the jungle that junglers can take for better pathing / ganks
Give the jungler ability to smite a champion and get ignite on auto attack plus 20% damage reduction so that champion can't fight back
Give the jungler ability to smite a champion and steal his movement speed
Introduce keystones that reduce overall jungler weakness early game compared to a laner (the lack of stat based starting item for junglers)
Make smite heal when smiting camps to make junglers even better at 1v1ing laners in jungle or just healthy clears
Introduce catch up EXP

Yeah, things can go pretty bad for top lane when you introduce all of those and then give 0 compensation buffs to top lane.

F3EDfromDesIr32/28/2018, 3:51:47 AM8 votes

I agree. Most annoying thing is the Jungler when you play Toplane. One set of Trinkets and 3 Ways from where you can get ganked from + Stuff where a Ward is useless like Warwick who runs at you with 1k ms, eve whos in stealth and so on.

Every Jungler who wants to Camp Toplane can do it without loosing too much and as long as the enemy Laner doesent sit under his Turret full Health doing nothing, successful Gank over and over again. The Jungle camps really need to be Changed, doing more Damage and Respawn quicker. Junglers should get lower Health by doing their Camps and actually have to think about Risking it to Gank with low Health.

Eedat2/28/2018, 5:02:34 AM7 votes

I don't understand these threads as a fellow top laner. They want top lane to be an island when they want it to be but still be relevant in the overall game when it's convenient for them. I don't know who these "high mechanical" picks are. AA resets are even easy for low ELO players. Top lane used to be an island because there was nothing there. You didn't want to go top because of Drake. So we bitched and bitched and bitched for literally years until Riot gave us Rift Herald. Finally an objective worth taking early on top side. But now we bitch about junglers coming top because there is something worth taking up there now. I don't understand it. People use nostalgia to make it seem like top was so much better in the past. In reality it was more worthless than now.

This '1v1 fantasy' that half of top laners have needs to go. It's honestly unhealthy and drags the role down. You don't get to be isolated and impactful at the same time. Pick one. You either want a 1v1 lane that doesn't mean much or a role more involved with others. LoL is a 5v5 game, not 1v1. You don't get to interact with 1 enemy then expect to have influence over the other 4

Total Eclipse2/27/2018, 10:43:45 PM5 votes

this is soooooooo true. red buff needs a huge nerf --- top lane is 90% decided by jungle these days. tch, duelists. you mean full ad 1shot fiora?

on a good note- with the plentiful changes going around to guinbsoos and on hits. jax feels more balanced than ever. jax actually feels like jax. can fiora get the same treatment?? I think im on to something here.

ricardo20102/27/2018, 9:10:34 PM4 votes

JUST TRY PLAYING TEEMO TOP ONE GAME AGAINST A SHITTING MAOKAI WITH AFTERSHOCK MAXING HIS W TO SPAM ON U WITH UDYR IN THE BUSH ALL GAME BM LIKE TRICK2G! YOU WANT TO POKE A MAOKAI? OH GUESS WHAT? ITS SAME RANGE W AS TEEMOS AA AND IT WILL DO HALF YOUR HEALTH AFTER THE AFTERSHOCK! THEN TRICK2G WILL COME IN AND SPAM HIS MASTERY AND ONE SHOT! ITS NOT FUN TO PLAY TOP LANE!

Kaioko2/27/2018, 9:08:43 PM2 votes

Since you can't bother to check on the PBE or read the Dev's corner, they are actively working on it between the introduction of a new keystone meant for bruisers and the changing of jungle items.