Why would you keep the Evelynn nerf?

Kıng Boo·10/14/2015, 1:04:09 AM·70 votes·2,943 views

Evelynn as we know it, hasn't been doing very well in the balance department. She's incredibly underwhelming now; to the point where people barely even use her anymore. And Riot decides it's time to nerf her again for the umpteenth time? Forty mana cost may not seem like too much for an ability to other champions, but with Evelynn's incredibly small mana pool early on, and with her relying on Q to clear jungle camps...she won't be able to use W as much, if at all, to get to jungle camps and lanes. Not only will this slow down Evelynn's clear time, this will also reduce her effectiveness in travelling to lanes and escaping, her niche.

You have stated Evelynn's niche before; constantly applying pressure to lanes. Now with this W nerf, all she has is her invisibility (which might I add; with the new ward trick being found, is very underwhelming now as well, in some cases at least.) As long as the enemy laners are smart enough, they'll know where to ward, how, and when to back off. There's been dozens of threads explaining why you shouldn't do this, but you've never taken an in depth look at them.

Sure, Runeglaive helps her a lot. But most of the time, you're going to run Warrior's anyway. Warrior provides Attack Damage, Cooldown Reduction, and Armor Penetration, all stats that Evelynn values immensely. Not to mention with an AD oriented build, she'll be able to get other smites aside from Trailblazer, and instead go for Stalker's Blade or maybe even Skirmisher's Sabre, which can increase her duel potential even more.

In reality Riot; at this point it feels like you just don't want to deal with Evelynn anymore, so you're steadily nerfing her to the ground until she's unplayable.

49 Comments

TurquoiseYoshi10/14/2015, 2:46:55 AM13 votes

Hey guys did you hear that Evelynn was nerfed? Yeah I had no idea from the approximate 10000 posts on the subject.

darkintruder10/14/2015, 4:53:43 AM5 votes

While i agree with you, and i'm proud that Evelynn is one of my go to champions to go in the jungle and the one i learned how to play jungle to begin with (1350 IP, ez life), Evelynn always will need to be under control. She can gank from whatever side you want, and I didn't know this trick, but I can assure you 5 vision wards doesn't even help vs an experienced Evelynn player, specially at higher ranks. There are lanes you can gank through lane, like a Thresh/Ashe bot lane and just blow up whoever gets caught. I don't like this nerf at all, seems unecessary considering Evelynn is in a balanced state, but yeah, Evelynn should be in the eyes of the balance team, always.

Kıng Boo10/14/2015, 4:26:37 AM5 votes

If you are unfamiliar as to what the 'Ward Trick' is; you basically place a Vision Ward (The one that shows stealthed units) against a wall or other location, and a Stealth ward at a distance from it. This combo boosts the Vision Ward's range, allowing it to detect units further. However; Evelynn doesn't have 'True Stealth' like other champions, (who aren't revealed via being nearby), which means the vision ward will still see her. This is an enormously bad thing for her, because she won't be able to gank at all. This mechanic does not reveal ANY other stealthed units too, just Evelynn.

HaIlMonitor10/14/2015, 1:52:28 AM4 votes

You know I get why there is so much QQ over freelo champions but come on. She has been bombarded with nerfs and still manages to find tons of play in pro play [meaning the champion goes from shit tier to god tier in one day in soloque - see Viegar]. Also this patch all they did was add a 40 mana cost to her Movement speed buff which almost every champion has to pay mana to gain their dash or movement speed. They just want to slow down her clears probably. It isn't like those 5 seconds slower you clear will make or break the champion.

PiVoRx10/14/2015, 1:13:39 PM3 votes

As long as she has this passive she deserve nerfs, or other way, as long as we have no effective way to deal with invisibility. Evelyn makes whole purpose of warding pointless and often confusing (you think you are safe around your net of green wards but actually you are not).

Llanite10/14/2015, 3:03:37 AM3 votes

No one wants to play with or against her. You can safely assume that everytime she regains popularity due to item changes, nerf is only the way.

3tyson10/14/2015, 3:36:58 AM2 votes

Eve could buy late boots and early dmg to make up for her bad clears

she could freely stil get everywhere fast because her w didnt kost annything

now u should only use w whem u rlly need it...

alfavhunter10/14/2015, 7:29:50 PM2 votes

Is it common to lvl her mobility last?

Why not make it cost 40/30/20/10/0 if this is the case

Cuts her early mobility while keeping her late game power (which will be weaker on average due to weaker early game mobility)

Dominick Destine10/14/2015, 7:57:57 PM2 votes

I've been playing Evelynn since S1 (First account Ssraeshza for S1/S2) and I have played hundreds of Evelynn games this very season with thousands of matches for post-rework Evelynn. This is a terrible nerf... they are punishing Evelynn for using a RESET SKILL that is meant to reward proper use. At this point I would much prefer the passive W she had (Increase movement speed per spell landed on an enemy champion) with a worse active than the current monstrosity they have give her.

I do not understand why Evelynn is getting gradually gutted. Lee Sin / Ekko / Rengar are far more popular and powerful.... what is the purpose of gutting Evelynn? there are freelo champions that exist, Evelynn is NOT one of them. Evelynn is extremely risky to play and requires very experienced players to get a good performance... thanks a lot Riot, I guess I will have to switch junglers now, after 5 years of playing Evelynn.

fééd l0rd10/14/2015, 10:29:01 AM2 votes

A good eveleyn will never run warrior. NEVER. period.

BroLane10/14/2015, 5:39:18 PM1 votes

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Evelynn as we know it, hasn't been doing very well in the balance department. She's incredibly underwhelming now; to the point where people barely even use her anymore. And Riot decides it's time to nerf her again for the umpteenth time? Forty mana cost may not seem like too much for an ability to other champions, but with Evelynn's incredibly small mana pool early on, and with her relying on Q to clear jungle camps...she won't be able to use W as much, if at all, to get to jungle camps and lanes. Not only will this slow down Evelynn's clear time, this will also reduce her effectiveness in travelling to lanes and escaping, her niche.

You have stated Evelynn's niche before; constantly applying pressure to lanes. Now with this W nerf, all she has is her invisibility (which might I add; with the new ward trick being found, is very underwhelming now as well, in some cases at least.) As long as the enemy laners are smart enough, they'll know where to ward, how, and when to back off. There's been dozens of threads explaining why you shouldn't do this, but you've never taken an in depth look at them.

Sure, Runeglaive helps her a lot. But most of the time, you're going to run Warrior's anyway. Warrior provides Attack Damage, Cooldown Reduction, and Armor Penetration, all stats that Evelynn values immensely. Not to mention with an AD oriented build, she'll be able to get other smites aside from Trailblazer, and instead go for Stalker's Blade or maybe even Skirmisher's Sabre, which can increase her duel potential even more.

In reality Riot; at this point it feels like you just don't want to deal with Evelynn anymore, so you're steadily nerfing her to the ground until she's unplayable.

again

For Carthage10/14/2015, 8:02:28 PM1 votes

Honestly, I'd rather like a 10 mana increase on her Q over 40 on her W...

Yonsi10/14/2015, 8:05:12 PM1 votes

You say most people run warrior but a quick look at pro builds and champion.gg immediately disproves that statement. Evelynn almost always goes runeglaive. Ever since runeglaive, she's had little to no mana problems. She got a free 200 mana and mana back on her clears but of course no one wants to mention that. You don't even need trailblazer as long as you smite Krugs which help her hp in clearing significantly (which you can do btw since you don't need to smite wraiths). She'll be the exact same early game as she was before the nerf and if she ever needs mana can just run around invisible as any experienced eve player has been doing. The only thing that I can see this hurting is that if she's going off in a teamfight and getting resets, she might run oom as a result but aside from that this change is a slap on the wrist. Typical reaction from the boards to any kind of nerf and it won't be long before everyone sees that very little has changed.

BeMyFriendPlease10/14/2015, 2:49:44 AM1 votes

LeeSin

She started being better at counter jungling, you do the math

Kingopants10/14/2015, 3:37:28 AM1 votes

Shes just not fun at all to play against and was actually gaining some popularity, of course they were going to nerf her.

Hayaishi210/14/2015, 4:18:53 AM1 votes

She's frustrating to play against, so she gets nerfed until she gets reworked.

Aezanthya10/14/2015, 5:57:21 AM1 votes

At this point I just want them to rework her and get rid of the stealth. Harrowing would've been a perfect time to do it. They could have turned her into a succubus or a demon of some kind.

CppL10/14/2015, 6:13:57 AM1 votes

mb they planing a new rework on her ,and now just olafing her for some reason.I dunno :/

xFrostKnightx10/14/2015, 8:26:30 AM1 votes

** Riot**: Kassadin is too mobile

Welcome to the re-work release, Kassa-summoner 3

Riot: We're releasing a bunch of high mobility champions with short CD's :D summoner 6 summoner 4

Riot: We're nerfing Evelyn, forcing her into the ap Jungle item otherwise she'll have 0 mana. #InvisibilityStronk

Riot: Oh, btw upcoming champions has invisibility which is a toggle, drains mana per second but does not cancel when attacking.

Ipols10/14/2015, 12:57:33 PM1 votes

She's incredibly underwhelming now; to the point where people barely even use her anymore

stopped reading here since you make up facts just to prove your point.

SelflessTeammate10/14/2015, 2:20:31 PM1 votes

scratches head You know...I mean, I don't know about any of you Evelynn players out there, but as one, I can tell you I spend exceptionally little time farming monsters. Evelynn doesn't really need it, she's ready-to-gank at level 3 without too much trouble. She doesn't exactly rely on smite bonuses or anything like that, so she really just relies on how ignorant her opponents are.

So, really, the exact same thing as Shaco. Who, for reasons that escape me, doesn't seem to be even a part of the conversation, despite feeling way, way more oppressive to me. I mean, especially if you're jungling, because you can sure as hell expect him to at least try for red buff, and you might be able to fend him off it, but...He's just gonna come back later. He knows it, you know it, and he's still going to wait for you all freaking day, and then saunter off to his lane of choice and murder it.

Then you're terribly behind as a jungler because he counter-jungles before killing your laners, and your laners get angry at you for being behind, and of course they didn't pink ward because it's a mind-blowing 100 gold and they're only 3,000 away from Infinity Edge, and...deep inhale...exhale. But Shaco's okay, and Evelynn isn't, even though a good Shaco is a solo queue nightmare from hell.

Olath Quortek10/14/2015, 4:47:03 PM1 votes

Sounds to me like they're pushing her away from warriors by making her more dependent on mana from Runeglaive... Not that I know anything about Eve at all... Just a thought based on what you said about Warrior's...