Elise needs some love (with an idea said by C9 Meteos)

Laviosah·4/1/2015, 4:22:22 AM·18 votes·2,329 views

So i'll jump right into it, Elise is in a bad way right now and could use some TLC, but I feel the issue is one of an identity crisis. Meteos phrased it well so I thought i'd bring it here:

"If she builds damage, she can sorta kill someone and then get instantly killed, and if she builds tank shes just useless the whole game. Elise needs some form of rework to either gain health from building ap or ap from building healh that way she can get some damage from building tank or get enough tankiness to do what she needs to from her building damage."

This isn't a "rito please" post but I think some healthy discussion on Elise would be good, cause shes gotten some pbe attention but I hope theres a way to help her without changing her playstyle completely, her kits really fun.

21 Comments

kile1474/1/2015, 6:42:21 AM6 votes

Her current playstyle is spam all your human abilities, then jump in and fight with spider form. I think a good way to make her more powerful is to change her power budget a bit so that you have a reason to be in both forms aside from, "are my human form abilities off cooldown?". She was OP because she has the classic shapeshifting issue of being able to fix her situational weakness by changing shape, spider form for dueling and finishing, human form for initiation and poke. I feel like moving around some of her power so her forms aren't so binary would be a good step and would allow them to re-buff her numbers.

Tentacle Love4/1/2015, 4:52:54 AM4 votes

Yeah every time I've tried to play her it's like going from a video game to a fighter jet cockpit. There are just too many things in her kit to keep track of, on top of all the other normal jungle shit.

I gotta track: the number of spiders I got. the number of spells I've just cast successfully on someone because I wanna make more spiders. The cooldown of 3 human form abilities. The cooldown of 3 spider form abilities. My health bar. My mana bar. My enemies' health bar(s). My enemies' mana bar(s). the cooldown on my R if I just used it. The important cooldowns of my enemies' summoner spells. The cooldowns of my summoners. My enemies' major ability cooldowns including their ultimates. the cooldowns of the major camps, which for me is probably gromp, wolves, chickens, and blue buff. dragon. the ward line. the state of the turrets. wards on baron. the crab. the state of bottom lane and if they're in position for me to gank. the state of top lane and if I can even help gank. whether either midlaner is close enough to a brush to attempt a gank. chat. pings. major item buys on the enemy team and if it's safe for me to even attempt to build damage. Karthus. Freakin' Soraka. Oh what the hell is that thing moving at me on the minimap.

Shit, just by switching to Amumu, half this list disappears.

UPfreely4/1/2015, 6:20:34 AM4 votes

i feel like the only (damage) part of her kit that could get buffed without breaking her is her spiderlings, i don't mind her getting some love, just don't want her blowing people up as full tank like in s3

Tourian4/1/2015, 10:22:41 AM2 votes

What if her q percents scales.with bonus health instead/as well?

Third Reign4/4/2015, 12:36:00 PM2 votes

I would love to find out how her damage would feel if they change the modal 8% current/missing health damage to 8% max health on both Q spells. Many other tanks have %max health scaling, ex: Maokai 13%, Sejuani (10+2)%, Gnar 14% max.

Yumekaze4/1/2015, 4:38:27 AM2 votes

I feel the same. I loved playing her while she was free and I felt she wasn't doing enough in terms of damage. If she's classed as a mage, as www.leagueoflegends.wikia.com describes, mages are "mostly ranged champions with powerful magic damage skills, good crowd control or a combination of both, but low defense and weak auto-attacks." The least Riot could do is reduce CDs and up her AP scalings, if not, buff her defenses as well and since I'm gonna buy her soon, now would be perfect timing.

Denims Wrath6664/1/2015, 7:03:37 AM2 votes

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So i'll jump right into it, Elise is in a bad way right now and could use some TLC, but I feel the issue is one of an identity crisis. Meteos phrased it well so I thought i'd bring it here:

"If she builds damage, she can sorta kill someone and then get instantly killed, and if she builds tank shes just useless the whole game. Elise needs some form of rework to either gain health from building ap or ap from building healh that way she can get some damage from building tank or get enough tankiness to do what she needs to from her building damage."

This isn't a "rito please" post but I think some healthy discussion on Elise would be good, cause shes gotten some pbe attention but I hope theres a way to help her without changing her playstyle completely, her kits really fun.

ok I know this may be a terrible idea because its also a buff to vlad, but why not make a spell vamp item that also gives some health, armor/mr to kinda help this biotch out. make it like 10%sv, 200 health +10%, 30 ap, 20 defenses. make a haunting guise upgrade maybe? obviously the stats would change but that was just a suggestion.

Baron of Bread4/1/2015, 5:48:06 PM1 votes

I think if they made her heal from Skittering Frenzy have increased scaling as you ranked it up that would do the trick. More AP = More healing.

MrBuffington4/1/2015, 8:38:20 PM1 votes

What if she got a damage amp on her cocoon? That way she can build tanky and still do good damage to a single target, and it fits into her main combo anyways.

I'd like to see a rework that pursues a more assassin/bruiser direction for her, though. I also think her spiderform W could be a bit more interesting

Starlighte4/1/2015, 9:16:33 PM1 votes

Was expecting "cumshot in 7" left disappointed...

DREEZY5624/2/2015, 7:15:54 AM1 votes

you just suck with elise

Romans VI XXIII4/1/2015, 4:24:47 AM1 votes

So all she needs is vlads passive?