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Riot is constantly streamlining this game in every fucking aspect.

Dolfro·11/17/2019, 10:18:06 AM·40 votes·13,506 views

Riot is NOT supporting alternative ways to play the game (off meta). They want people to play the same way, same champions, same builds every fucking match. Here i qoute my boi Ghostcrawler : "league really starts to feel the same when you keep encountering the same champs with the same builds in the same lanes doing the same thing" [sg-lux-2] And then they delete off meta because they are overpowered. How about fucking learn their counterplays? For example I play ap ezreal mid. He has no sustain, no aoe, no wave clear, squishy af, no cc. Just play around these cons and you will win. Every off meta pick has more cons than pros. That's how you play around them. But if you dont know their weaknesses you would think they are op.

But Riot loves people playing extremly safe picks like ekko or kaisa because they are forcing them to do it by buffing them every time they get skin.

Riot makes new skins for op picks>Riot buffs them>You abuse them>You have LP>People are frustrated>Riot doesn't care(EVENTUALLY THEY DO)>Riot have money of skins>Go to step 1

Can you stop streamlining this game and make us happy by making off meta viable? I would love to.

42 Comments

boricCentaur111/17/2019, 12:22:38 PM13 votes

I'm really sure when stuff that hurts off meta gets taken away you don't care since looking at your posts you want kleptomancy removed A RUNE THAT HELPS SO MANY OFF META STRATEGIES BE POSSIBLE pretty funny that you want it removed even though it helps off meta like a lot, I'm sure you wanted solo lane pyke or tank ekko to be things right? O wait probably not.

I'm also sure you're going to get upvoted since the boards like to act like they like off meta even in reality they don't and went even it becomes good they want to it gone as fast as Possible.

GIVE ME ONE TIME WHERE OFF META WAS NOT BS WHEN GOOD? Tank ekko and bs like him, hybrid ezreal we just had, ap malp, ap maokai just any tank that is built pure ap is bs went good basically, neeko adc, ezreal jg fuck that shit, I think I made my point.

Off meta builds and strategies are usually off meta and not balanced around BECAUSE THEY DON'T WORK. Ap ezreal is basically ezreal just with less counter play, like tank pyke was just pyke without the weaknesses.

Riot should kill off meta, it's bs and it makes the game worse having it.

Like ap ezreal plays the same as normal ezreal basically so removing it just makes ezreal easier to balance.It Also stops people from just playing worst like ap ezreal is by far worst then ad and removing that focuses the player to build better therefore they'll be more useful.

L Psy Kongroo11/17/2019, 4:55:30 PM12 votes

Off-meta picks are troublesome because oftentimes they exemplify the aspects of a champion's identity in the worst possible way. AP Kogmaw and high range, AD LeBlanc and trade safety, tank Vayne top and uncounterable true damage, etc. These types of off-meta picks are meant to heighten and abuse what makes a given champion strong, but in a way that was never intended, in an effort to eliminate that champion's weaknesses. Champions SHOULD have meaningful weaknesses. And while off-meta picks come with their own share of special weaknesses (hence the name "off-meta"), it is extremely difficult to adapt to a strategy you've never seen before on the fly.

This is why off-meta picks are successful: because people get accustomed to playing the game a certain way, and when you take them out of their comfort zone, they panic and are unable to reconcile what they know and are used to with what they are being presented with. Other times an off-meta pick will abuse certain design flaws in the champion itself. Think old AP Sion, whose only real counterplay was "don't be in Q range or you're dead", or tank Ekko, who relied on a severely overloaded kit and %HP damage to have the best of both worlds. With some cases, such as Klepto Viktor top, the pick is meant to prey on the very nature of the game itself: in this instance, the idea that "melee champions often go top lane".

The key issue here is that off-meta picks rely on breaking the fundamentals of what makes the game run smoothly; they abuse human error and oversight, and this conflicts with the stable homogeneity that Riot considers one of the most important aspects of the League.

Ashe mage AD11/17/2019, 12:04:34 PM8 votes

Dude what are you talking about? Riot got you covered. New supp items = ADC supports 24/7, mages, assassins, whatever, troll your heart out, it's fine.

Its All Skillzz11/17/2019, 2:58:06 PM6 votes

Ap is way weaker than current yi, current yi is legit an abomination of cancer an thats why you see sht like yi + taric mid boosting in even challenger. as for ap ezreal he had exploitable weakness of ust being pushed in an the laner leaving, it was very easy to do and he is all skillshots, new ez is dumb and was basically op due klepto and his new W, i want my old reworked ap ezreal back an gimmie my W that can be used to poke in lane or provide huge team fight damage.

preternatural11/17/2019, 10:26:04 AM5 votes

if you want this world then AP yi must be a thing, and you don't want that.

KVbqbFsC8e11/18/2019, 1:37:30 AM3 votes

And have you noticed all the complaints about Malphite? People here would like his AP ratios completely removed. Well, which is it?

Glory9711/17/2019, 11:18:16 PM3 votes

I think half a year ago, people would describe ap-malphite as a off meta pick. Until people realised it's actually not that bad at all. Now everyone plays it, and ap-malphite is a stable meta pick (maybe not that much after nerfs).

Off meta can not be viable. Because off-meta is by definition: NOT the most effective tactic available. As soon as something off meta is viable, it's meta. I don't know what exactly you want from riot at this point.

Krys Star11/18/2019, 12:52:10 AM3 votes

As long as Meddler is head of balancing, nothing is going to change. Morello strived for equality in all champions as best as he possibly could. Meddler plays favorites and guts champions he doesn't like. He caters to a certain playstyle only (burst), hence why assassins become prominent over and over again and enchanter supports, tanks and mages get the short end of the stick each season.

Until Riot opens their eyes and realize they appointed the wrong person for the job, their game is going to stagnate and lose the interest of many players when they begin to lack variety and excitement in their matches.

NTrumpWeTrust11/18/2019, 1:57:07 AM3 votes

Considering how poorly the community reacts to anything new being added, like Yummi's attatch mechanic, or Senna's adc support playstyle, I would say they are fairly hesitant to introduce anything "new". League has never been a game of build diversity, you get your core items and you build 1 MAYBE 2 situational items for the game. Also "off meta" picks seem to be fairly common all things considered. The likes of Swain support and Shaco support (both of which are doing well) are a few good examples of that.

mack911211/18/2019, 2:36:32 PM3 votes

From what I have seen off meta picks are generally toxic builds that take advantage of overtuned numbers.

Victor Ekko fizz top or ap yi or trynd as examples.

LaMaPhUcKeRzz11/18/2019, 2:10:19 PM2 votes

then leave no one will miss you

vgamedude11/20/2019, 12:59:50 AM2 votes

Riot has ALWAYS trashed ANYTHING that ever dared stray from their view of what the game "should be" like.

They said they wanted diversity bot, then we started seeing 5 to 10 percent of picks be mages or something different. Guess what? Nerfed and buffed adcs the very next patch.

Thefrostyviking11/18/2019, 9:41:19 PM2 votes

You see Mr OP, when off meta becomes meta because it´s strong enough to get into the meta by most likely abusing something then it´s a problem.

Sure AP Ezreal is lacking in many ways, but why has his AP builds gotten nerfed from time to time then?

Because he did oneshots from a pretty long range and he delivered a significant part of it as AOE ontop that, while denying any real meaningful interaction by Q farming.

Why was old AP sejuani nerfed before her rework? Because it´s pretty bloody unfair when she can Q-R toss that bola of hers and then auto you to oneshot you.

Why was AP Malphite just recently nerfed? Because when a guy can, with minimal farm even if the lane is hard, just go in and oneshot squishies with that R of his with minimal counterplay aside from flash then there is also a problem.

Why was crit Vayne nerfed? Because her R-Q spam 1 or 2 shotting squishies and still melting tanks with her W was also toxic.

Why was AP kog nerfed? Because a xerath with significantly more range and DPS is also toxic.

What´s the common trend here? While mostly AP centered the fact is that off meta builds are often OP or toxic somehow and bad for the game´s health, much more so than average builds.

That´s why they get nerfed or/and potentially removed.

CasterGilgamesh11/18/2019, 2:55:19 AM1 votes

litterally every time riot makes something new the community says its awful like Yummi and Senna.So yah...i think riots hesitation to make new things is warranted.but my biggest complaint is that riot removed dominion and in the future Twisted treeline.