Kalista, Bane of Supports (Complaint)

Kalista... not for people who are playing with strangers

Why wouldn't you want Kalista to get the kill? It's not really considered KS'ing when you're support and your adc gets the kill. ESPECIALLY if you're playing a support like blitzcrank. There's almost no value in you getting fed.

But I agree, getting ulted by Kalista can be a jarring experience. Riot needs to release a PSA about what you're supposed to do when you get kalista ulted.

Question Why do you play your death animation when Kalista uses black spear on you?

Answer So you can get used to Kalista killing you.

Frankly, Kalista is about teamwork. I feel like communication is key.

I played with her last night and surprisingly did very well but I would probably never solo quo with her. The things you brought up are very good points, especially using her R for a kill steal. What the heck?? I only used it to initiate team fights, save my support or save my team from sticky situations. Also, it's amazing for stealing baron and dragon! lol.

I agree with you on all of these and she does need some tweaking.

I try to get kalista banned in ranked play because of the above reasons and the fact she is retardedly mobile, and as a result she can dodge virtually every skillshot there is.

mobile ADCs should not exist, there main weakness was escape, with that gone, what counterplay do the other roles have against an ADC?

I was playing support last night and my Kalista made a tower dive under both the inner turret and the inhibitor turret...alone.

When she realized she was surrounded by the other 5 players she decided to take me with her for backup. I tried to just leave her, but I couldn't, since 5 enemies were surrounding her I just ended up accidentally hitting one of them.

We both died and didn't even make a scratch on any of our opponents. Whe we rezed she said "we could have killed one of them if you didn't try to leave."

I had the misfortune of being support in a Kalista lane last night. We'd engage in 2v2's and as I was trying to do important things like stun/exhaust the enemy ADC to mitigate damage, she kept throwing me into that ult, doing more harm than good. Was EXTREMELY frustrating.

Yeah I have to agree it seems strange that you don't do an oath when being sworn in as the oathsworn

From some of the comments I've read, I ask this: What if my kill was stolen by Kalista, and I was not a support? No excuse for it with any role, but some of you believe a support should always yield to their marksmen partners. I actually agree with this, but I did leave a detail out in my story: The Kalista had over 15 kills at that point. Fed? Definitely. So, if you do not agree with my stance, then it is again your choice. I among many other players will adamantly disagree.

I didn't realize Relic Shield didn't work with Kalista. That should definitely be fixed.

The problem with being oathsworn against your will if Kalista's ult mechanics were different. Being oathsworn wouldn't be so bad if her ultimate wasn't so horrible to use.

Even worse is that Kalista's ultimate visits a mechanic that Thresh also has with Thresh's Dark Passage. With that ability, Riot specifically wanted to make it so that Thresh's allies had the opportunity to choose whether or not to take the lantern, not that Thresh could pull his allies himself. Then Kalista went the opposite direction so that she could pull her allies to herself without her ally's consent.

The only way this ultimate could work is if Kalista did something like Thresh's lantern where you can right click something Kalista throws down, and the soulbound can click it to go to Kalista. Otherwise, Kalista's ult needs to be reworked.

I agree. At least make it more obvious to the Oathsworn what they're supposed to do, especially when she ults. The first game I played with a Kalista involved me panic-facerolling whenever she ulted because I was completely lost.

The point of Kalista is to play with a friend, someone you are communicating with or someone you have played with frequently enough to know their style. This teamwork is enhanced by Kalista's oathsworn and we can see what it truly means to be an ADC and Support.

What we get instead is a bunch of trolls who only pick Kalista because "PASSIVE OP OMG SUCH MOBILITY I WIN GG KALISTA OP" who then realize there is more to Kalista then just jumping around and throwing spears...

"Of course Kalista must be OP because DUUUR PASSIVE OP DUUUR!!! and obviously its not my skill, so it must be the supports fault! The reason grabbing my support from safety and throwing him into 5 people then dashing after him didnt work was because the support is an idiot!! Yeah thats it!"

The message here is STOP PICKING KALISTA!!! Unless you are directly communicating with and/or are very comfortable with the supports play style, you are most likely NOT going to do good and no it is not your supports fault...

Her Ult seems way, WAY too trolly to me. I would go so far as to say she should get something else completely.

Can't say I've experienced much of what you guys are talking about. TBH I've only had 2 "bad" Kalistas, one bound the jungler instead of me as Braum, and the other thought Witz End/Hurricane/etc was going to do much for her. Beyond that I've been able to work very well with the Kalista's I have played with...may have something to do with me telling them "hey I want to start fights by having you throw me into them post 6" many of whom are more than willing to work with me.

Hell I've had a number of Kalista's save my ass with the ult when I get caught just for me to be able to turn with it and we completely wreck the enemy team for it.

Talk to people, Kalista enforces team play and communication if you are thinking you can play with her like any other ADC and simply ping to set crap up it isn't going to happen.

The relic shield not procing is a really serious problem, as it rules out using the most efficient gold generating item for melee supports. Below diamond, you won't find many ADC's being mindful of their supports gold requirements anyway (thanks for killing that canon minion just as I'm about to hit it, douchebag).

Until people actually know what the hell they're doing with her, I'm going to skip any team with her on it. Her ult is, at best, disruptive. In the hands of people who don't know that they're doing (which appears to be about 99.9% of the player base), you may as well hand the enemy team the lane on a platter (since it's very likely Kalista will be handing you to the enemy team on a platter anyways).

You refused to lane with your ADC because they took your kill? I would have reported you, just saying.

It's comparable to the feeling you get when your support keeps auto hitting your minions and screws up for your farm...

I had the misfortune of playing with a on ARAM today. I drew for the match. Prior to this match, I haven't played with one yet with her and knew nothing about her. About 10 minutes into the game I get grabbed by her and catapulted right into the enemy cluster to die. I was just clicking around because I had no idea what was happening. I asked her what she did to me, as I now noticed a tether between us that doesn't go away the entire match. She found it funny and started pulling me against my will. She said, and this is a real quote from the match, "I'm trying to kill you because you annoy me." To anyone wondering, never in the queue or match was I asked to be bonded to this cancer player. There really needs to be a choice of whether or not you want to be bound because it is terribly inconvenient to the teammates that don't want to.

Also, I see some comments in here about "you should help your adc, etc etc etc." To those I say, you are missing the entire point. It's all about the principle of being forced into a, potentially unforgiving, game mechanic that you may not want. You shouldn't get pulled into the death pit if you do not want to. Yes, I know with , , and , etc, they have the option of forcing their abilities on you, but these abilities arguably can really only help the person they are cast upon. I typically don't complain when rez's me (duh). I revoice my opinion that Kalista's tether ability is causing more harm than help by not allowing players to choose if they want it or not.

Just adding my thoughts in. Cheers.

Or you communicate how her ult works, ask the guy you bonded, "Do you know how my ult works? If not, I'll tell you."

Since the Spoils of War Passive has been adjusted in the past, such as for Zyra's sprouts, it needs to be adjusted here as well for when being that if a support with Relic Shield gets the kill Oathsworn to Kalista, the Spoils of War exhausts a charge.

Sounds like a good idea.

Problem #3: Oathsworn can be used against players, not just your opponents. I will give a horrible yet poignant example. Last evening, I was in a game as a support Blitzcrank. My Kalista partner recalled due to low health, but I was fine and kept pushing. I came into a one-on-one with an opposing Alistar. After a few moments, I had the advantage. Right when I was getting ready to finish Alistar off with his remaining 100HP, Kalista had reappeared and used the Fate's Call, pulling me away from Alistar. Afterward, she dashed over and killed Alistar. Yes, this was a clear kill steal, and Kalista found I refused to lane with her further.

So, your ADC made a correct play, and you got salty for no good reason?

I have no voice in being Oathsworn or not.

Kalista doesn't work if her support isn't Oathsworn to her. You are suggesting that you want the ability to guarantee yourself a lost lane.

I cannot use any of my tank supports, as Relic Shield is out. :

this is udder rubbish, alistar doesnt NEED relic and neither do other " tank" support like thresh who's cc is CDR based and also gains from the MS gain.

I have no voice in being Oathsworn or not.

Its Kalista's tactical decision to either Oathsworn her support or someone else. therefor for your input would then effect her game play MUCH more because she loses a portion of her kit if you want to troll/argue.

Kalista can become my ventriloquist, and I really don't appreciate where her hand is.

She minorally effects your positioning, and it CAN pay off, i was denied 7 plus kills in a single game due to a smart kalista ult, jarvin wall, ani wall and even trundle pillar are all the same in this manner and its nothing new.

Solution to the Problem 2 and 3:

Give the players the right to choose if they want to be used for ult or not. How? Just add a kind of small chat box above the abilities bar asking "Do u want to be used for the ult?"

Kalista just needs a reworked passive, ultimate, and w, simple as that. She's beyond irritating in a game like this and I dunno what they were thinking in releasing something like her without further testing and feedback from the community.

If you guys have a problem being ulted into a team why not just ult away?

Kalista is just an all around poorly designed champion... Her stupid ult that gives her Oathsworn no say besides what direction they get thrown to... Her stupid infinite dashes that creates infinite problems for all melee champions... And finally her stupid E that always wins objectives for her team no matter what. How did she even get released?