Interesting rework and gameplay change for Talon to help in balance issues, particularly in Diamond+
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#3pm now, so as stated in below edit not spending any more time on this. Upvoted NM1010 for good feedback on the thread, thanks.
#Edit: If over 4 hrs from now at 3PM eastern time, if a comment from someone at Riot is not made by then, then I will stop looking at this thread, nothing personal to riot or anything... I am just out of patience regarding this. Obviously it hasn't even been a day yet since I made this thread, and it is more reasonable to wait around about week instead which is what I generally did in the past, but I am not willing to continue hoping I get a reply from Riot considering the thread is not popular, and even if it was I doubt anyone from riot will decide to reply to this even if it was noticed, and are likely concentrating on things more pressing and important for the collective league community than this thread regardless of it's importance to me, despite my belief that the gameplay changes/additions I am asking for would be well received by many other players if implemented.
If by some chance someone from Riot decides to reply to this after the time I mentioned above then don't bother doing it for my sake, because I won't be reading it unless it somehow makes it into the patch notes, and actually gets put in the game, which seems highly unlikely. I only go on the boards every once in a while to observe the dev corner, and not to see much of anything else and not to make threads or comments either, and will be returning back to that. The only thing that brought me back is described in my thread about Akali's rework being similar to what I asked for with my champion concept on the champion Feng over 2 months ago before we were shown her gameplay, and ofcourse I elaborated a lot on that in that the thread. If I am lucky enough for the gameplay changes I asked for to come out, then I will see it eventually in the patch noes, but obviously I am not going to hold my breath as there are other more pertinent gameplay changes, and champion updates that can be argued are more deserving than my requests. I am putting this edit into two threads I made essentially on the same day that discuss two different topics concerning gameplay additions, not trying to spam, this edit is relevant to both. Also just want to say thanks again for Meddler and Riot Stashu for commenting on an idea that I admit was not a great one for Talon a few months ago. It was nice to see feedback on it.
I am a Talon main in low plat, and even though I am not in diamond or above I do see him getting picked or banned much more often than before. So I decided to do this considering Talon is a problem in high elo, the small base damage nerfs Riot are doing to his rake in the next patch is very unlikely to solve that problem, and because I wanted to find a solution that fixes that, but also gives him a more unique style of gameplay especially in mid and late game. The below changes have many nerfs, but also many large buffs and quality of life buffs; pay special attention to his W, his E that now has a passive, and his Passive. The % changes are relative to the current Talon's damage in his abilities, so compare to his actual damages on the Talon wiki page to see what it would amount to if curious of specifics. I did it that way as to more emphasize the "difference" in the changes between current and new Talon, as well as to simply save some time, and listing that information isn't too necessary to get my concept across.
#**base movement speed buff: ** now 355
#Passive: large buff mid and late game buff, with large early game nerf
- base damage lowered by 60%, and % bonus AD also lowered by 20%
- bleed can be triggered from abilities if enemy champion has had full stacks for 2 seconds
#Q: large early game nerf, slight mid and late game buff
- Q range lowered to 500
- Base damage of Q lowered by 50%, but % bonus AD increased by 30% with the exception of his W and Passive
#W: very large mid and late game buff, but weaker early
- first tick of rakes damage does a larger % of rakes total damage with each increase of rank 10%/30%/50%/70%/90% of total rakes damage when rake is thrown out, with the blade return at max rank being only 10% of the total damage from rake and being the much weaker portion instead
- range increases from 650 to 800
- blade recall delay increased to 1.5 seconds, slow still procs at the end
- W Rake Base damage lowered by 30%, but % bonus AD increased by 70%
- starting cooldown higher but max rank cooldown lower, at all ranks 13/11/9/7/5 seconds cooldown
- triggering bleed lowers Talons W cooldown by 2 seconds
- takedowns reset the cooldown on Talons Rake
- mana cost at all ranks is, 80/65/50/35/20
#**E: ** very large mid and late game buff because of new passive in E, but early game slight nerf
- now has a passive, whenever Talon triggers his bleed or gets a takedown, he gains bonus movement speed that is 10% - 170% of his total attack damage for 4 seconds
- starting cooldown on terrain increased to 220 seconds, but goes down at a faster rate so cooldown is lower at ranks 4 and 5, e.g. 220/170/120/70/20
#Ult: early game nerf, slight mid and late game buff
- Base damage of ult lowered by 50%, but % bonus AD increased by 30%
- ult CD higher at first rank but lower in last rank, being 120/80/40(current Talon is 100/80/60)
#Clarification:
These changes will result in Talon having a much weaker early game damage wise while also making it take longer early game for terrain to go off cooldown, so affecting roaming early on, and in turn this will reducing frequency of large snowball early game. To make up for the drawbacks early game, his mid and late game will be much stronger if he does not fall too far behind because he will be more versatile in fights because of having a much stronger projectile damage mid and late game that can be used much more frequently than current Talon, and he can more frequently trigger bleed on multiple targets because of rake now being able to trigger bleed. Also because his new passive on E gives bonus movement speed that scales off of Talons total AD, the longer the game gets the faster he will become when he procs his E's passive. If he does not fall too far behind when he is weak early game, he will be able to function as an effective assassin, while also being able to function somewhat effectively as a poke mage and skirmisher because of how his rake gets more powerful as the game goes on and because of his speed improving as well, and he will shift to being better known as a "hyper carry assassin". For example, if Talon can make it through the first 25-30 minutes without himself and the team not falling too far behind, he is very likely going to be equal to or greater than a current Talon for example being 3,000 gold ahead and up by 2lvls from a large snowball early game because the current Talon is going to start falling off when the new Talon scaling and overall fighting potential in several situations has increased and should continue to increase up to late game.
This will also help to solve Talon being frequently banned in diamond and above because of his dominant early game, and games very likely being decided so early on. With these changes Talon players will find it much more challenging to consistently snowball early on and have a large gold and level difference early game, but it will be much more rewarding if they manage to do that when it will be a challenge alone to simply at least not fall too far behind in the first 25 minutes, and when that time comes to really start to make a stronger impact on the game because he will be able to function as a great assassin, while also functioning as a mage and a skirmisher to some extent because of the changes to his Passive, his W, and his E.
#Edit: Current damage from abilities result in early game, mid game and even late game damage being too weak to have a significant benefit later on. I should give respective number buffs to make up for that so that it will benefit him more in all phases of the game but particularly early and mid game. I believe this is still a great idea for Talon, just need the right number tweaks.
