"Tristana, not really known for her hyperscaling...," -Phreak

o9y9pcvBhd·5/8/2015, 2:15:02 AM·99 votes·5,741 views

What happened? Pre rework trist was KNOWN for her hypercarrying. Now, a few nerfs and a rework later she has lost this as a core identity. Riot says that the goal of reworking is to modernize the kit but keep certain core identities that a champion possesses. Would love some discussion about this.

83 Comments

Jamaree5/8/2015, 2:18:24 AM41 votes

Right now, her problem is there is little reason to pick her over Jinx besides her mobility, besides that, Jinx gets better AoE damage, more range, a better AS increase that doesn't even have a CD at that, and a better ulti damage wise. Before had, she had a niche of getting to outscale and outrange every ADC to make up for her downfalls, with that gone and a stupidly lose base AS, she isn't worth it anymore.

TauNoob15/8/2015, 4:45:09 AM19 votes

She's been crippled after the rework. Her passive feels almost meaningless, she is COMPLETELY reliant on Rapid Fire due to the attack speed nerfs, Rocket Jump is nice but feels clunky with the delay, and Explosive Shot's large cast time just make her feel AWFUL to play as. My suggestions: Remove cast time on her E, Raise her attack speed scaling, reduce Rapid fire's cooldown, but lower the attack speed boost significantly, and revert the nerf to her passive.

TheGosuStandard5/8/2015, 2:21:53 AM6 votes

Her AS early game makes me not want to play her as it becomes annoying to last hit at times,

Darth Pixy Misa5/8/2015, 2:36:22 AM6 votes

That SKT Vs EDG game Tristana just didn't have a way to stop Kalista......

Until level 10 Kalista can aa q aa then leap out of range and all trist can do is aa once.

atomicwit5/8/2015, 4:41:48 AM6 votes

She's trash tier now for many reasons that have already been covered elsewhere. The biggest problem is that she has the lowest damage of all ADCs. Riot's looking to help her out a little in 5.9 but it's nothing too significant.

BTW: I consider Tristana's laning phase among the weakest in the game. However, unlike Kog or Twitch, the E passive makes farming under turret inconsistent. This delays her power spikes (which tbh aren't really any more meaningful than for other ADCs).

Spacesuit Spiff5/8/2015, 5:01:02 AM6 votes

They nerfed her passive, so that's why. Her identity is a tower-eater now.

Kariu Rena5/8/2015, 2:05:21 PM5 votes

Because her splash is ugly as fuck

NorthernDruid5/8/2015, 2:52:20 PM4 votes

If they'd let her AS not be so atrocious and give her back some of that range they took away, then she'd hyperscale just fine.

Mandang05/8/2015, 3:38:06 PM4 votes

What happened is that Riot ruined Tris with the rework.

Madra5/9/2015, 5:48:10 AM3 votes

Deft gets first blood and still ends up 50 CS down at like the 15 minute mark. Time to take a look at the Explosive Shot passive and her 1.x% Att.Sp. scaling.

Ahurath5/8/2015, 7:35:16 PM3 votes

They nerfed every single stat that is useful for a hypercarry on trist. Attack speed range and damage ( indirectly and directly).

She takes way to long to get to her point where she can carry, too cooldown dependant and still don't got that good range compared to jinx and kog'maw. Her only redeeming quality is her abillity to take down towers fast. I've read the patchnotes and they tried to make her explosive shot better in lane. That may help since it's her early laning that's so bad that you can't really get ahead if the enemy plays properly.

I didn't really play jinx much before but I've decided to main her for a few weeks and see the results. So far i've can singlehandedly say she's the best adc in teamfights right now. Her abilllity to have like 2,1 as with 2 itrems is pretty retarded and she's got so much damage.

Dengeden5/8/2015, 1:36:23 PM3 votes

Well for one, there's the fact that she excels at killing towers, so pro players focus on that. Even if she does have hyper carry potential, which I will argue she does, they aren't going to play towards that. Much like Irelia and Hecarim have pretty respectable late game if they get proper anti-carry items instead of Trinity -> Utility Tank. She does have the problem that aside from their ults (and slightly wider AoE), she's a worse version of Jinx in team fights. Make no mistake, that Buster Shot can be game changing buuuuut it usually isn't. (And a well placed flame chomper sometimes does the same thing) Because of the nature of rocket jump she's a fairly good assassin, it's a lot easier for her to get resets than with Jinx. I think because of her pick potential and her over-all scaling she still qualifies as a hyper carry.

BorfinUrfdob5/8/2015, 2:30:04 PM3 votes

Never really did get why they turned the yordle with highest range at endgame into a midgame champ.

Stonington5/8/2015, 6:32:25 AM3 votes

Tristana sucks at all points of the game and Deft shouldn't have picked her. I don't care if she hyperscales or not. She just shouldn't sucks so much. She should be good at something.

RagingBulk5/10/2015, 3:53:01 AM2 votes

Trist feel so sluggish and clunky now. Her E animation take too long IMO, by the time I fire it off the enemy has already walked away.

Silents4295/8/2015, 3:26:29 PM2 votes

I would play Trist more again, but her early game farming recently got really awkward, and I struggle to CS at all for some reason.

I like Trists E and how it interacts with towers, and her ult being a CC and not an execute, I mean I don't know why we compare her to Jinx mechanically they aren't the same at all just have the roles and labels of being a hyper carry.

Not to say Trist isn't overshadowed by Jinx right now, I mean who isn't Jinx overshadowing at the moment? But Jinx isn't REAAALLY overpowered right now it just seems like all the other ADCs have been whipped around with nerfs and mini reworks and then left alone while Jinx has yet to get any changes.

We could nerf her or buff the ones suffering.

chipi995/8/2015, 8:07:17 PM2 votes

No wonder I can't play her correctly any more , they nerfed her range. :/

Sirin Gioro5/9/2015, 6:15:27 AM2 votes
Sorioku5/8/2015, 12:29:01 PM1 votes

I think Trist's biggest issue are her cast times. She's fairly mobile but stopping to e a target and stopping to w and stopping to r really makr things annoying. They're giving her some love in pbe but who knows what that'll do.

And she has to take way more risks early. And shes squishy. She's everythimg Jinx should be. I dunno why Jinx has such a solid early game and a monstrous late.