Dota's Manila Major had 95/111 Heroes Picked

iTams·6/12/2016, 3:03:09 PM·180 votes·12,540 views

16 were not picked, 13 were not picked or banned. That is 86% of the roster.

Meanwhile, this current season of LCS has 44/131 champions picked or banned source. EU has 43. That is 34% of the roster, just barely above 1/3 of it.

Seems like a balanced game 4Head [slayer-jinx-wink]

266 Comments

Narvuntien6/12/2016, 5:39:56 PM62 votes

Stonewall had a video on this.

Which basically amounted to.. more Heros are picked in DotA because some champions are specific counter picks to other champions. But in league there isn't hard counter picks, and its better to pick a better champion than pick a counter pick since the advantage you gain with a counter is not as good as just picking an S tier champion.

KONO RUBICK DA6/12/2016, 4:38:40 PM28 votes

73 heroes were banned ** and _only 2 items weren't built yet**_ rod of atos, heaven's halberd

"they have hard counter" no they have as much hard counter as league the only one i have in my head is aa against healing heroes and rubick against any chanelling spell heroes (enigma, cm), axe against dazzle makes him useless, more like "they have great combination" dota 2 lets you play SO MUCH COMBO i can't even list them all.

dazzle is trash? he is the only one who gives 30 armor to the team, anti-mage's weakness is armor, let's pick dazzle+anti-mage cristal maiden needs bkb to unleash her ulti but she can't because she is a support? let's pick omni+cm and omni gives her a bkb rubick needs aghanim to be good but he can't because he is a support? let's pick alche who gives him an aghanim

League CAN'T DO THIS, why? because picking an FOTM champ gives you x10000000000000000000000000000000 more power than a good combo. If crystal maiden casts her ulti for 7 sec she can deal something like 2000 damage WITHOUT ITEMS, this combo can be better than picking disruptor because he is good right now.

PS: league already reduced by 1/2 their numbers of picks since riot refuses to make melee adc as much viable as ranged adc

MLDzXnRRR6/12/2016, 5:36:32 PM19 votes

There is no reason to pick some champions in Lol over the current better version of the archetype. You need long range ADC - pick Cait (this patch). You need tank - Maokai is the tankiest. You need fighter - Irelia is the strongest now. And so on. Some champions are useless - Trynda wasn't picked after season 3, because he is predictable, needs farm (and he will be denied early game with lane swaps) + can be hardcountered with armor and CC. AD Assasins are never picked outside of Zed (and his pickrate isn't impressive this season). Garen wasn't played even during the juggernaut patch in competitive - I guess we will never see him.

DontBanMeImDrunk6/12/2016, 8:33:25 PM13 votes

It has to do with STR AGIL and INT balancing heros much better than simple "+ damage". It helps to balance differences in champion kits, since STR gives literally every stat a tank would want , agil gives balance against all but base damage spells (see why carries build bkbs or linkens) and Int gives casters more spells and damage without giving them HP or armor (once caught, they are done for)

So say if you have a hero who has X skills. These X skills are worth a certain amount of balance points. With dota, they simply need to adjust STR gains, since each point gives a uniform amount across all champions. With LOL, they need to adjust all these different stats individually for each champion, which is why some champions are usually weaker than others.

This is also why items in Dota2 are superior, since the items each give unique values depending on who uses them (so, for example, a carry buying a BKB does not gain an extra 10 damage, since they do no benefit from str). I cant tell you the number of times carrys in LOL buy items orignal designed for tanks throughout its history, but it is a ton (warmogs, sunfires, sterraks, hexdrinker, black cleaver, atmas, heart of gold, leviathon, ) theres probably more as well.

Dengeden6/12/2016, 5:55:07 PM8 votes

We had quite the pickrate during S5 worlds iirc. When the best of the best face each other the pocketpicks will come rolling.

Heck, Huni already picked Riven this split and Olaf is a dece jungle pick. Once we finally see a Trundle rework or nerf, top lane will open up even further. I'm surprised we haven't seen Tahm Kench, that guy could ruin double jungling.

Sahn Uzal6/12/2016, 3:07:21 PM6 votes

IIRC Dota is entirely balanced around Competetive play, not solo queue, right? so LoL's regular play is a lot more balanced than Dota's. Take this with a grain of salt though, I have never played DOTA, so I might be incorrect here.

TotalJerk6/12/2016, 8:24:05 PM2 votes

Once again a repost from Reddit. So much original content on this board.