RoA Outclassed

RiftScuttlerOP·5/4/2018, 4:20:24 PM·44 votes·16,221 views

I feel like Seraph's and Luden's really outclass RoA at this point. Even if you want some tankiness, you can just buy Lost Chapter - Oblivion Orb or something similar while outputting far more damage. Worst of all, RoA is a scaling item but isn't even slot efficient compared to these items. I'd rather have Morello or Liandry's for the slot virtually every time. Morello offers far more damage vs squishies and the grievous wounds are important vs many champions. Liandry's is FAR weaker than it used to be but is still good vs super tanky comps. RoA is just a stat stick that doesn't even offer particularly impressive stats anymore. Mana is not so much of an issue with how much you get from Luden's & Seraph's and the extra 200 HP tankiness doesn't feel relevant enough. By the time you stack that extra HP, you'd already prefer a different item. I don't think this is really "the late game first item" anymore.

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DW Diana5/4/2018, 4:54:31 PM18 votes

its 2600 for a very good scaling item. sadly when rylais, liandry's and morrello's are needed in most mage builds (because adc's have yet to realize 800 gold is less than 3000 gold) getting ROA is no longer viable. It used to be you could buy it to scale into mid game, but now there is no time for scaling, it's win fast or your team will throw.

Killer of Night95/4/2018, 5:50:18 PM5 votes

Honestly i would like if roa give something like "Your ability deal 10% more damage" after stacked. This would benefit more class to buy it and make it a good late game item like seraph.

Step Sis Lux5/4/2018, 4:24:23 PM3 votes

They didnt buffed roa on pbe?

Stars Shaper5/4/2018, 6:35:52 PM2 votes

That's why playing AurelionSol sucks these days.

His kit is done so that he has the most exploitable weaknesses ever and his core build is composed by item 3027 and item 3116 which are now the worst items around.

Modl Ryden l5/4/2018, 6:09:31 PM2 votes

Eternity passive tho

Snowman Arc5/4/2018, 6:18:37 PM2 votes

Rod of Ages is actually the most cost efficient item in the game, when fully charged. I don't know what you are talking about. When you purchase it, you get 93% of your gold's value and you get a bunch of stats that are very important; HP, Mana and AP. AP buffs the damage you deal, HP buffs your survivability and Mana increases the amount of spells you cast + give you more AP if you build Seraph's (which you do most of the time). When fully charged, the item is 150% efficient. Its stats are actually worth 4k gold and that's not counting its passive that's also very strong.

Ifneth5/4/2018, 5:13:59 PM1 votes

Many of the top ten mages right now rush Rod of Ages: e.g., Twisted Fate, Cassiopeia.

LordGeovanni5/5/2018, 2:26:38 AM1 votes

Not really its just that people want the full power of the item the moment they buy it which is why people dont buy item 3027 or item 3003 much and go for item 3285 but although they get the really high base damage from it it also needs to scales which they dont understand or acknowledge. They wont buy even though its better than

princeblumpkin5/5/2018, 3:10:07 AM1 votes

All these people thinking RoA is a mid/late game item just because it has a scaling passive. smh

EkyonKun5/5/2018, 4:45:05 AM1 votes

I think it's possible the stats are just confused on who they're trying to appeal to.

Safe/Artillery mages like Xerath Lux Ziggs don't really need the HP to function properly and would just prefer CDR. Manaless AP users like Katarina Rumble Akali Mordekaiser Vladimir actually cannot use the mana, and waste money on it. Mage supports like Zyra Morgana can't reliably get it because it needs to be rushed as early as possible and supports just naturally have lower income. AP assassins like Leblanc Elise Evelynn Nidalee can't really get it because it needs to scale, and that doesn't suit them very well. Auto attack AP users like Azir Kayle and possibly Teemo would really prefer attack speed/CDR over HP/Mana.

So that leaves us with battle mages who don't necessarily rely on CDR as much as others, are often gated by mana, don't rely on auto attack speed, and prefer scaling. . This is an extremely small demographic the item actually appeals to, and it still lacks a meaningful passive/active. (Also, Sol only really builds it now because the GLP changes forced him to)

It's just a +stat item with no utility outside of an extremely negligible source of health regen. Not to mention, its stacking passive REALLY wants you to rush it first before anything else. You can't "sit" on a catalyst the way you do with tear. You HAVE to invest 2600 gold to begin getting the benefits. And what do you get after 10 minutes? 100 AP, 500 HP, 400 mana. And that's it. 3 stats in the "Slightly better than mediocre" range. So unless you're on a champion that needs all three of these AND can sacrifice early game power, it's just such a waste.

LaughingStapler5/5/2018, 3:45:12 PM1 votes

Some champions really like the fast combination of stats RoA gives as well as the extra safety. It should be buffed but in a way that decreases Seraph's synergy. The champions who get both items are generally fine. Thus, cut the mana a bit and buff the AP stacking. If you buff the HP, it will become too appealing to tanks instead.

KlydeFrog5/5/2018, 9:48:51 PM1 votes

Well why get this over archangel staff? You can get more ap and this being your only offense item . just build cdr flat mana items . runes take manaflow band and biscuit also you need transcendence. I do this on taric and have like 500ish ap . busted

Nullstar5/6/2018, 10:40:45 AM1 votes

item 3027 stands in a good place in my opinion, its just that people overlook it due to the scaling passive, and it doesn't have some flashy active or passive to it, it is just raw stats. Where item 3040 item 3285 and my good friend item 3030 all provide solid mana regen and mana sustain, they don't provide that tank stat that some champions require in certain match ups. It fills a niche spot between just grabbing those items and item 3916 ( item 3027 lower cost than item 3802 + ) that some champions do need over those. Usually champions that require you to be much more forward will require it more than a or item 3070 as you can't really go in early with them. Yeah you will have the extra damage from them, but unfortunately damage isn't everything, and some champions just can't be squishy without suffering a miserable time. Karthus Galio AurelionSol etc. are all champions that want to be closer than their fellow champions in the same role usually, having abilities that require them to be much closer to use effectively than say a Xerath . Galio especially loves the item more than he would item 3802 , because he has decent health scaling on his W passive shield, and the Eternity passive works well with his playstyle of being a melee anti-mage tanky guy dude thing in the Middle Lane. It allows him to survive longer for a cheaper cost, and he just needs the stats in general. Otherwise, yeah those flashy items will sometimes outshine item 3027 , but for a cheaper buy to survive laning and scale up, it is sometimes a better option. While they seem better stat wise, sometimes you don't really have that gold to spare to get two components that are 1300 and 1500 respectively.

Ending off here, I'm not ever sure if I am talking out of my behind or not, so I apologize if I come off as a rambling lunatic, this is just my opinion on it and I wanted to share a little, plus discussions are always nice and I want to throw my item 3089 onto the table. I don't accept my opinion as a fact (excluding the gold cost) and I don't expect you to either. Have a nice day, Yours Truly: The Stupid Mid Laner

Also: Feel free to yell at me if you disagree, once again, would love a nice conversation or better knowledge and understanding if I can have it.

Edit: I apologize if I rambled on about one thing for a paragraph, its 5:42 AM and I am lurking on the forums.