By no means I'm stating that Sejuani isn't strong, but c'mon, isn't Sejuani a bit overated? I mean, Amumu has nearly her winrate and the differene on the banrate is abysmal. It's more than 74% difference. Not to mention that many are starting to give priority to Gragas over Sejuani due better clears.
logic doesn't work around here.
this is gameplay&balance we are talking about.
here we just ask for Sona buffs and complain about Veigars rework.
I feel as though ban rate tends to be less about win rate and more about perceived counterplay.
Sure Amumu wins about as much as Sej, but it feels as though there is a lot more you can do against an Amumu who is winning to avoid dying to him. His gap closer requires landing a skillshot and his AoE stun is localized to the area around him. Sej's gapcloser is free target and she can throw her CC at you (and let's be real here it's more on her to miss that thing than it is on you to dodge it).
When I lose to a Sejuani I tend to come out of that game thinking there wasn't much I could have done to beat her. BAN When I lose to an Amumu I may think he's too strong but in the back of my mind I'm running over all the times I could have dodged the Q to shut down his mobility or spread better for the ult.
Low ban/pick rates and high win rates usually come from the fact that the people actually playing them are good at it.
High pick rates mess up the view of win rates because there is a wider variety playing the champion.
While Amumu may have a similar win rate. He's mainly being played by those who have mastered him compared to sej. This is why Brand, for example, always has a good win rate despite being a weaker pick in general. When the champion is played mostly by those who are past the learning curve of the champion, that champion will have a higher win rate than the average champion.
Her winrate might be higher if it weren't for the ban rate.
But ban rate isn't just about who's OP or not, it's who players are frustrated playing against. Look at Katarina's ban rate, it's been consistent for awhile along with her winrate. OP or not, people just don't like playing against her.
Amumu seriously used to be unplayable in ranked because he got banned so much, but I guess those days are gone.
That's because bans aren't for OP champions. Bans are for champions that are popular and strong. Sejuani gets played in LCS so she gets popular. Amumu doesn't, so he doesn't get picked and thus get banned.
No one wants to be friends with ammumu though....
Banrates are usually a combination of "how frustrating is this thing" and "how strong is this thing", rather than being solely about how strong or "overrated" something is.
It's like how LeBlanc and Nidalee have relatively high banrates when you consider their respective winrates - people just don't like playing against that shit.
I think part of that might be the fact that Amumu is also a powerful counter to a few champions. When you see the enemy picking Nautilus/Thresh/Blitzcrank/Darius or some combo of the above, you know that you can pick Amumu and destroy them when they try to use a pull to initiate a teamfight.
Amumu is a very old champion that a lot of players have serious veteran experience on. his ban rate will be lower than hers because the cinderhulk is much more obvious of a buff on her. "percent bonus hp! sej is broken!"
In reality, Amumu is probably far stronger than she is because sunfire cape was his first and most important item as a jungler and now it's been combined into a jungle sword and made even more powerful. I honestly think he gets more out of it than she does.
Sej is now too mainstream. People should play Amumu while he is still indie, and then when everyone else realizes he is op, complain that you liked him before he was cool. You am become hipster now.
Sejuani is just much more reliable and easy to play. Amumu has to land his Q or flash in order to stun with his ult. Sejuani can throw her's a decent distance to stun you and she doesn't have to land a thin skill shot to gap close.
Easy to play champions will have a higher pick rate. Higher pick rates mean higher ban rates.
Jinx 54 percent win rate with 33 percent pick rate.
Sej might be overstated, that's hard to say. The problem with the information that you have here is that a lot of people consider Amumu a pubstomper and otherwise utter trash. Even if people think Amumu is too strong, they're under a lot of pressure not to ban him.
I can out play amumu by dodging his bandage toss and ult. Even if I dodge sejs ult she can straight up 1v1 most fighers or adc by running along side them until they get aoed down. They are both pretty strong but that is why I ban sej if I ban her
Amumu is not even half as mobile as Sejuani, has much weaker pre-6 ganks and doesn't stop spell casts with his ult. It is much easier to shut down Amumu than it is to shut down Sejuani. For one, Amumu getting caught by Lee Sin or J4 in his own jungle means instant death while Sejuani can just Q over a wall.
sejuani doesn't have to be right on top of you to ult and is an actual stun sejuani has free to use mobility that doubles as CC thats easier to land than Amu Q sejuani has everything amumu has and more
the fact that she is super poplar, everybody players her, and still maintains the HIGHEST winrate says a lot. compare that to malzahar, heimerdinger, skarner - few play them, but excel when they do.when a champion has one of the highest ban rates, the highest pickrates of junglers champions, and one of the highest winrates, i wouldnt say "overrated".
you cant compare winrates and banrates. the highest ban in the past month is katarina, who has the 10th highest pick but a 45% winrate @ 47th place. why do people ban her? because it only takes 1 under-preforming midlaner to completely wreak your team. compare that to sejuani, who has almost as high a banrate, a higher pickrate, and one of the highest winrates.
compared to amumu, she provides more AOE CC (AOE-capable knockup and AOE-capable slow versus just a single-target stun), does only slighty less damage, has slighty weaker initiation (duration-wise), but stronger initiation (enemies cant cast spells while locked). She doesnt have quite the range, but makes up for it by using her Q to escape and E to kite. she also isnt as mana hungry. her ganks also dont rely on a single-target skillshot, so its easy to hit with a flash. pre-6 if that skillshot does hit, she can follow it up with a slow. amumu cant.
half of the sej bans are from peer pressure, noobs saying "ban sej", "wtf no sej ban?"
its not worth he grief so most captains just ban it for that reason alone.
Amumu is less fun, Sejuani's dash isn't targeted. Thats why there's such a difference in popularity.
