Random Qs from a Noob

SukebanA·1/24/2018, 12:37:22 PM·2 votes·449 views

Hi everyone~!! I'm SukebanA and I'm still a Noob. I guess I'm an advanced Noob, as I started playing in late December and have been working my way up to level 30. I'm 28 right now. [sg-miss-fortune] I have some Qs that have been on my mind, that maybe some of you can help with. Sorry if they're stupid!! Gotta learn.

The first question is: when is the BEST time to roam, as each lane and jungle?? I seem to be missing some thing, because I've gone Top lane a few times (with Illaoi and Kayle) and the first time, I went to go help the jungler as he was close to me, but he said Top doesn't help jungler. Next game, I'm in my lane, jungler yelled at me for not helping.

TL;DR: do I help the jungler when I'm Top lane??

When I'm in any lane, when do I help the others?? I imagine walking to Bot or Mid, just to go back to my own is a waste of time. But, after the first tower(s) are down, all hell starts breaking loose. I'd rather make sure I'm doing the right thing, here.

As JUNGLER (I'm loving Shyvana and Fiddlesticks), I have been following a route map, but I'm still wondering: when do I start to learn when the best time to help others is?? Right now, I feel like I've been helping in lane too much, as I only spend my first maybe 7-10 levels in the jungle. My team did win, but I'm still not sure and want to do my best.

I... Think that's all for now. I'm sure I have more that I've forgotten, haha. Thank you in advance, and if this was confusing... Sorry!!

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6 Comments

LeBlanc Rose1/24/2018, 1:37:05 PM1 votes

As a top laner, it really depends on who you play whether to roam or not. However , it is always a good idea to help your jg unless you are Nasus who would lose 20 or so cs to tower from doing so. On Illaoi, it is pretty uncommon to roam much, except to take rift herald. Kayle just wants to farm, so not really for her either. I'm not a jungler so I can't help you much with that, soz.

Weasel Kensei1/24/2018, 1:57:59 PM1 votes

You mean Newb... cause thats what you call people who are new at things.

A noob is someone who talks about things like their an expert, when they dont really know what theyre talking about.

An example; a newb says "Why would Ezreal build a tear, wont that make his early game bad?" A noob says "Why would you ever build a tear on Ezreal, hes an ADC, build AD, youre so bad!"

Anyway, as for roaming. Yeah, once that first tower is down, its really a case by case, match by match basis on when/if/why/how much you try to influence the other lanes. If you have a gold lead, and have some spare time... by all means walk into the enemy jg on an invasion, go down to mid and see if you can make the enemy mid burn their flash.

Its a team game, and if you can help put your teammates in a better position, or weaken their opposition, then youre on the right path. Of course the old saying "You can have too much of a good thing" is still true. Spending too much time roaming can let your enemy laner free farm and catch up to you, or even pass you in gold earned.

So how much water to you need to wash your hands? Is it the same amount every time? What if you get paint on your hands? Gasoline? Baby poop? It probably takes different amounts of water for different things, and you have to feel it out. Im not trying to get by with a nonanswer, Im just saying you will have to get more experience to know how much is enough, and how much is too much.

Good luck with your games, enjoy the adventure, and stop calling yourself a noob... its an insult a younger generation of gamers have been using wrong for a while now.

TheDunCanMCLOUD1/24/2018, 3:24:59 PM1 votes

So ill start off by saying i havent mained a top laner since the beginning of S4.... those who played during S4 know exactly why. as a top laner deciding when to help your team comes down to a variety of factors. if you have what is referred to as an herbivore jgler getting invaded at his blue buff thats a good time to help your jgler if you think he might lose the fight. however consider at the same time your champion and what you might lose for helping your team out as well. if you are nasus it depends on how many stacks of Q you have. but if your someone with a healthy waveclear like garen you should be able to catch yourself up quite nicely after roaming. if your jungler rages at you for not helping generally they are either tilted or just toxic i recommend putting them on ignore. im a JG main and 99.9 percent of the time that i die its my fault and no one elses. do i appreciate help from my top laner? yes but i shouldnt expect it either. a jungler should be focusing his pressure on objectives which pretty much makes top lane a 1v1 for the entirety of laning phase of the game as long as your not overextending like a bonobo. now one thing you can do is look to make teleport plays if the option opens up. keep in mind that stuns do cancel a teleport as well. good teleport plays involve an action that results in either securing or protecting an objective. do not let people in your elo tell you what to do. think about your own plays what you couldve done better and nothing else. thinking about what your teammates did wrong doesnt help you because you are not in control of your team mates. if you realize you messed up think about what you can do to correct it. if you see a team mate mess up you can make a helpful suggestion but for the most part i personally avoid it because most people seem to take it as a personal attack.

Fullmetallic1/24/2018, 7:28:05 PM1 votes

300k fiddle main here, and junglesticks isnt very good right now. try him midlane with electrocute.

DemainaNyx1/24/2018, 7:40:24 PM1 votes

I am a support main, so I don't know most of these things myself, but I'll offer the advice I've heard from others.

Helping your jungler depends on what you mean.
If you are blue side, and your jungler wants to start blue buff, you should help leash him on blue so that he is healthier for the rest of his clear so he can gank. I assume you know this, but just checking.

If you are top lane, your jungler is clearing is top side, and you notice the enemy jungler attacking him, then yes, you should help him.

If you are top lane and your jungler is invading the enemy jungle, then you should be paying attention to your map to see if he needs help, but otherwise you should be pushing your lane (killing enemy minions quickly) so that your laner can't leave lane without losing a lot of minion gold. If the enemy laner does leave lane to kill your jungler, you need to follow and help your jungler.

Other than that, you really don't need to help your jungler much. You can, but you may miss minions in lane, which means lost gold and lost experience. There are times when losing some minions is fine, but most times you want to minimize how many minions you miss.


When to Roam As a top laner, normally you take TP so you can roam and help your team. I use the term roam to refer to going to another lane during laning phase, because people expect you to be in your lane during this phase, so that's when a roam can catch people off guard. You have a few choices of when to roam.

  1. You can roam when you push the minion wave to the enemy tower, reason being is because most top laners are melee (there are exceptions), and can't really poke the enemy while they CS under tower. And since the wave is wiping at the enemy tower, it will eventually bounce back to the middle of the lane so you roaming at this moment doesn't hurt your CS because the enemy tower will ensure that the enemy minions kill your ally minions faster.

If you roam at this point, I recommend just staying around top side jungle, try to get some deep wards in the enemy jungle if you can do it safely, or walk to mid lane. Only TP bot during these moments if you really think this will work out, because you'll probably lose a lot. Minimum you'll probably lose a wave or 2 of CS. Depending on the enemy top laner though, you could lose your tower.

There are exceptions to this, like Illaoi and Kayle and others, since they have range abilities that they can use to harass the enemy under there tower without taking tower aggro. So you have to decide whether to stay and harass your laner or roam.

  1. You can roam when you back the first few times. The reason this works well is because your laner expects you to be away for a while, so they might not warn their team that you aren't in lane, which gives your opportunity to possibly surprise the enemy, and then just TP top. Pantheon does this a lot once he hits 6, backing, ulting bot or mid, and then heading back top afterwards.

If you roam now, you can choose which lane to go to, but this might be a good time to roam bot lane, since it is a very important lane to snowball. This is also a good time to possibly get dragon, so getting bot lane to help will make this easier.


Now, one thing to remember is that Kayle and Illaoi aren't great gankers. Kayle has an on demand slow, which is ok, but not great ganking potential. Illaoi has a delayed slow, and does little damage without tentacles already spawned in a lane, so she doesn't offer much gank ability unless the enemy is literally under your teams tower. The only time I would really leave my lane is if your team is in trouble, because more often than not, these two character are better in lane. Illaoi has powerful area control with tentacles spawned, and Kayle just wants more gold to become as strong as possible which is easily accomplished by just farming.


Jungling

Jungling is it's own part of the game and it varies greatly from game to game. Some games you can just farm your jungle all game because your team doesn't need the help, and other times your team could use your help, and other times the enemy team is invading you constantly making your job impossible.

It's a role that you should be planning out though for multiple situations. You should look at your laners and determine who you want to help. For instance, a Yasuo will be pushing his lane hard, so if he is on the enemy team, you know he'll probably be pushed up which is a good gank opportunity. You should be keeping things like this in mind and always be looking at your mini map to determine which laners might need your help.

The easiest thing to do is start on your bot side buff, clear wolves, and then your other buff. That should get you level 3, and leave you on the top side of your jungle with both buffs still working. This is a good time to look for a gank because autoing with red buff slows people, which may be all you need to blow someone's flash.


Now, this is just general advice. Shyvana, for instance, is a farming jungler with no CC outside of her ult. Since she clears very fast, most people just farm on her instead of ganking much. Obviously you can gank depending on where the enemy is in the lane, but this generally isn't what she focuses on because it isn't her strength. Fiddle has his fear, but that's about it. He still needs to run into lane to get the fear off, and even then, he doesn't have much damage to help kill the laner early on. Ganking with Fiddle pre-6 is kinda difficult, but not impossible.

The other thing to worry about is what happens if the enemy jungler appears and counter ganks the lane you are ganking. Can you and your laner fight off the two enemies?

And this is all what I know from not playing these roles. There are probably plenty of other things that I'm completely ignorant about these roles.