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For Riot Gameplay team: Lux needs a rework her damage is 'too much' for a support(also ahri, lulu)

PumpPenta·12/25/2018, 9:58:17 PM·6 votes·7,970 views

So once she just land one Q(it isn't hard considering her e alone slows) The damage afterwards is completely large(nearly 70% of my hp) with no counterplay and people play her support so when i get hit by one Q then i get bursted for 70% of my hp there is nothing i can do but recall and she can do this again when i return(this time probably she has a teammate around to finish me off.) So like old shaco/ap yi her damage is too much and she can one shot 3 people with her qer combo in a teamfight. Zed's q is harder to land but it does not stun or snare. Anivia does not have that kind of broken damage but its an aoe stun which is good considering its not exactly an invitation for my entire health bar gone(her egg passive just needs tweaking.) Brand also needs a rework because he just presses r and his 'passive' seems to explode everyone without much interaction. Zyra has too much damage in her kit for a support so she needs some rework too. Ahri's kit is too old looking and wierd yet can decimate any one and at the same time dashes infinitely. Giving her charm buffs is not good that champ needs flat out rework. And to show more responsibilty I also believe that Yi needs a rework cause either he's fed or he's not there. Yasuo needs rework too because his kit is old and stale. Riven needs one since there is little one can do 1v1 against a stun thats aoe, 3 aa resets with low cd, a dash with a free 'barrier' on it, and an execute. When a fed yi can't 1v1 someone thats a problem with the design. Riven and lux are very in need of reworks. Also any champ that looks like they do too much easy damage without any downsides needs one. here is my list

  1. Lux

  2. Ahri

  3. Riven

  4. Mordekaiser

  5. Yi

  6. Yasuo, Garen, illaoi(she does too much damage and can't be killed thanks to her massive ' healing and damage'. 7.others(Blitzcrank(too much damage and cc), Darius(he is like yasuo too weak or too strong), Annie(old kit with huge damage for no delay), Cho'Gath, Diana, ................. nearly 70% of the roster have old kits and need some rework but finding the most in need of one is not hard you just have to look at these factors.

  7. Does damage frequency(low,medium,high,too much)

  8. Counterplay

  9. Gameplay effectiveness(has tools when behind to do well or not)

  10. Ability sequence and what it does also how fast are the abilities

  11. AP or AD, Supp mid laner?

But riot i commend you on the newest champion releases they are a bit more balanced then the older formers. But Neeko she needs to be having a different way to do damage since she does so much while also being ranged. Zoe is not so bad just don't like the fall asleep mechanic it too long(punish zoe for delaying her q) Its not generally bad if its nerfed like pick a card nerf it or yasuo q nerf duration treatment.

but yes riot if you have seen my post I thank you very much and hope you can make League of Legends better(I know you can if you just make some simple yet effective tweaks and reworks)

88 Comments

FemalesAreLesser12/25/2018, 10:17:35 PM30 votes

good thing she's a midlaner., and also wouldnt it be wrong to make the title about supports, then throw ahri in the title?

the shy top12/25/2018, 10:41:35 PM16 votes

Ahri's kit is too old looking and wierd yet can decimate any one and at the same time dashes infinitely. Giving her charm buffs is not good that champ needs flat out rework.

Also any champ that looks like they do too much easy damage without any downsides needs one. here is my list 2. Ahri

No. She does not have infinite dashes. She can dash 3 times with a delay in between. Then her ult is put on a 1:30 second cool down. You get such a long time to abuse that. She doesn't need a rework. Not every champ needs a rework. Advice, play the champion before complaining so you can get a feel of their weaknesses. Don't just come to boards and write a wall of text because you got destroyed by a champion. You just need to get better at this game.

Does damage frequency(low,medium,high,too much) Counterplay Gameplay effectiveness(has tools when behind to do well or not) Ability sequence and what it does also how fast are the abilities AP or AD, Supp mid laner?

  • Medium.
  • Yes theres counterplay, dodge her charm, if you can't then bring cleanse. Not that hard. Abuse her 1:30s ult cd. Abuse when she misses charm.
  • When ahri is behind she has no potential to kill any squishy that's full hp. Go on and play her and see for yourself. She's got cc and that's all she brings to the team. She's not a pure stat check champion.
  • R-E-Q-W. Fast rotation.
  • Mid laner.

She doesn't need nerfs. Ahri is only strong to you because you don't know how to counter her. After all, we are just playing rock paper scissors in the end.

Edit: If you're talking about support ahri then .. god help you.

Wook Kong12/26/2018, 1:47:24 PM7 votes

I think you need a rework your skills.

Lux is very easy to punish. So is brand.

I play lux and brand quite a lot. Any decent player can Dodge skillshots/ bait you to cast then punish you. Rengars destroy me. There is a lot if counterplay to almost any champ. Stealth Champs seem to counter lux pretty hard as well(pyke, twitch)

Ahri has quite a few counters as well. Malzahar is a huge one off the top of my head.

Is this a troll post?

Riot rework your game! /S

Thanks riot for constantly making your game fun. Been playing casually for almost 8 years. I take breaks every now and then but always seem to come back.

Yes I'm a baddy in silver but idc I have fun.... The community however seems to full of complainers now, and I'm the old guy now lol

HollowSlyfer12/26/2018, 3:08:43 PM5 votes

Git gud. That post is freaking trash. You been playing for what? 2 seasons? Get lost.

SoulAres112/26/2018, 4:25:31 PM5 votes

I'm NGL this is some low elo complaints honestly the counter play is get better at the game and your fundamentals it really itsnt hard to practice

ZephyrDrake12/25/2018, 11:53:42 PM5 votes

So... the title leads you to believe it's about supports doing too much damage... throws ahri there even though she isn't played support... somehow thinks lux's secondary role is her primary one then proceeds to completely derail his own "topic" even more by mentioning a bunch of champions that are nowhere near supports...

Like this thread fails in so many lvls. Stick to one topic instead of jumping from one rant to the next, it'll make your thread actually have meaning and not be nonsense rant thread #8647864378

Icy Hot Shoto12/25/2018, 10:36:30 PM4 votes

If they nerf Lux's support capabilities(shield, maybe snare time, maybe e slow strength), they'll either buff her mid capabilities(damage) or nerf everything and all you'll ever see is her in the support role where people apparently don't want to see her.

Ahri is a mid lane assassin/mage. If she's bot lane it's for nothing other than a kill lane, yet I've never seen her played bot? Nerfing her 'support' power will be the same as Lux. Nerfing charm length and/or damage, and buffing everything else, or nerfing everything and then you'll only ever see her support where she's not supposed to be.

Morde's rework put him bot lane for dragon, but he's honestly really easy to punish and keep behind if you know what you're doing.

I've only ever seen Cowsep do Yi adc/supp so uh... people might be following him, because he's a jungle/top. Even then, he can be easy to shut down early on and keep down.

Yas actually only does well with certain supports. This is gonna sound rude, but if he isn't with a Lulu, Alistar, or Janna, the top 3 supports he does very well with, you may be doing something wrong.

I don't even see Annie anymore but she's honestly not that hard to deal with. Keep bushes warded, if she runs into bush walk back away from it, if she is walking forward and has stun or 1 spell away from stun run back. She is very easy to counter now ever since they gave her the visible passive marker.

The only reason Blitzcrank does 'so much damage' is because he was ORIGINALLY made to be a top lane fighter/tank. He wasn't made for the support role, but the community preferred him support, and I can only imagine Riot never changed his base stats. So in this meta he does too much damage because no one has enough resistance other than a few tanks/bruisers to deal with base damage stats.

Every other champion seen bot, are there because in this meta adcs pop so quickly and supports are almost useless. They can snowball quickly if you fail to punish them early for trying. And if they're melee champs, you should be punishing them for walking up to farm.

MrHaZeYo12/26/2018, 3:13:59 AM4 votes

Learn to dodge?

Malix Farwin12/26/2018, 9:43:32 PM4 votes

That's a lot of downvotes lol.

Snackdragon1112/26/2018, 10:05:33 PM4 votes

I taste salt....

DiscWizard112/27/2018, 12:22:04 AM4 votes

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Gra4iX12/26/2018, 12:27:39 PM3 votes

Says the Level 30, which never played Rank or have knowledge of the game... its so cringy to read this and sad that you took the time to write this instead of training. To counter a Champ you have to learn them. You have to know when they have no Skills up, like iam an Adc and see Lux has no Q so i engage and Kill her in 2-4 seconds before her Q is up again. And you definetly didnt learn anything... sorry for some wrong words i just woke up and read this in my feed. Greetings from Germany...

With other words stop complain, learn the game or let it be. There are also much videos that help to understand whats going on in the Rift. I also dont like every Champ but i dont care cause i know how to kill them :) Ahri Vayne Kaisa

WellThisIsAwkwrd12/26/2018, 7:33:20 PM3 votes

Stand behind minions and you've completed countered lux's snare. Just because you can't dodge a combo doesn't mean it's broken. Stop crying and adapt. Don't blame your losses on broken champions and look at what you're doing wrong. I detest crybabies.

LeJhindarys12/26/2018, 11:50:41 PM3 votes

Don't get hit in the first place ^-^

JustPablo12/26/2018, 9:29:55 AM3 votes

I'm sorry to tell you but there are plenty ways of dealing with each champion. Learn a little more about the game :)

ADC Yuumi12/25/2018, 10:22:27 PM3 votes

She was the first mid / support hybrid of its kind. Other being Orianna. You hear nothing of an Orianna being good in the support role and sometimes from Lux. Lux support is kind of a low diamond playstyle, and lower if they have no supportive items. ( I.E Starting Doran's. )

If you see this, just realize one gank on her can ruin both her and her ADC.

Marshbouy12/26/2018, 1:32:42 AM2 votes

are you unironically complaining about Lulu's damage? what the fuck are you smoking

Noor Sakata12/25/2018, 11:19:45 PM2 votes

Dude why the hell everything needs a rework now?

MissMikasa12/26/2018, 6:20:54 PM2 votes

Lux is a mid lane mage first, hon. She is supposed to deal damage.

Support is her secondary role. People build her damage there too, just like Brand.

Get MR and work around her. If she misses a Q, jump on her and she's dead. Easy.

LeadCuresCancer12/26/2018, 7:14:27 PM2 votes

The champs that actually need a rework/revert are

  1. Akali (W is disgusting when it comes to diving towers)
  2. Irelia - this champ takes skill but everything in her kit gives her just a bit too much counterplay.
  3. Aatrox - probably just needs some numbers tweaked.
  4. Zoe - she is just really boring to play against. Get hit with a sleep bubble and then proceed to get 1 shot.
Just Monikha12/29/2018, 6:26:51 PM1 votes

You attacked the E girl community boi, downvote intensifies i guess lmfao :')

PumpPenta12/25/2018, 11:54:07 PM1 votes

UPDATE: well one thing is certain when you gank lux you have some sort of gap closer/flash but the big issue in this case is that her Q has more range than your gap close ability so you will have to walk in a danger zone where you may as well die for trying to gank her.

with that in mind i do think she does worse if you have/are a good jungler who will 'camp' her every min. other than that there is nothing stopping her from ruining bot. AND if you camp her every min what about other lanes so you still would lose out.