When is solo queue going to be added? Im tired of having to play with 4 premades every time

9 inches of love·May 10, 2016·137 votes·3,392 views

The dynamic queue makes no sense in the first place, why should anyone be forced to play with and against people that not only know each other's playstyles but can also communicate using voice chat to easily outplay the opponents. Now you might think, your team also has 4 premades so you cant complain, but why should I have to rely on my premades instead of my own skill and knowledge. Why should anyone think before a match "i hope my premades are good this time", every match you're either going to stomp or get stomped. If you ever dare to say anything to one of them they will all gang up on you like you are some lab rat for psychological torture, meanwhile the enemy team is warding good enough to destroy every move you make. The only people that will defend this system are the ones abusing it, you have normals for this why should it be forced in ranked, a place where you are supposed to compare your skill/progress to everyone else on a ladder. Sorry for the rant but I had to vent my frustration on this matter...

37 Comments

Eevee In A JarMay 10, 201610 votes

Hey man I agree Dynamic Queue is complete garbage and it's absolute BS Riot is forcing this down our throats when everyone knows Dynamic Queue removes the notion of fairness, competition, or even rank. What's the point of ranking legitimately if some scrub who still can't climb out of bronze by himself after years of LoL all of a sudden is now Diamond after being boosted by 4 man?

But if you want to make a legitimate complaint, at least don't make such ridiculous claim "play with 4 premades every time." Every time someone complains on threads, people already get sour from the title. So if you're going to complain about this (whicH i agree, we should constantly complain until they bring Solo Q back) at least make 100% true claims instead of exaggerations and false information to drive your points home. It can be confusing for some people who cannot differentiate truth from false.

9 inches of loveMay 10, 20163 votes

I agree with your last statement but you know its way easier to remember these kinds of matches then the other ones tho it does happen quite often it isnt every match. Even if it wasnt true that doesnt change the fact that it shouldnt have happened at all...

ErrastasMay 10, 20163 votes

For some reason I find myself muting the premades on my team a lot this season. Can't really say that's DQs fault, but it happens way too often this season.

The Bíg TicketMay 10, 20167 votes

The grinch Lyte left after stealing soloq from us...maybe there is hope we will get it back now.

Have a Nice GameMay 11, 20165 votes

http://i.imgur.com/pG40owm.jpg

If this is supposed to be 1% of the time today, I'm scared of what will happen on friday the 13th

MrWasjigMay 11, 20162 votes

"That's unfortunate" Talk about appropriate O.o

21028037DEL1May 11, 20161 votes

Yep, and then you get demoted to Silver. If you try to complain or say anything about the unfairness, you get told to "play better," "carry harder," "you played poorly" (even though you did the most damage on the team and/or had the most kills and/or had the best KDA), or--and this is my absolute favorite--"It's 50/50 anyway. You got a bad team this time you'll get a good team later."

Yeah, tell that to the last 20 ranked games I played. Excel spreadsheet I made shows that in 20 games I've played against and/or with pre-mades in 20% of my games, 30% of games had an AFK/intentional feeder on my team, 5% had an AFK/intentional feeder on the enemy team.

It's fun times playing League. Just gotta git gud, scrub.

AlüeMay 10, 20163 votes

Riot won't add solo queue, however i don't see why they cant have a restricted dynamic queue. Solo queue players are already on the blunt end of the stick the least riot can do is force dynamic queue players to wait longer in queue with this method. 4-man pre-mades are no longer available for dynamic queue. Only duo, trio and 5 man are. At any given time there can only be at max one duo group per a team. thus the match ups will result in this.

5 solo vs 5 solo 3 solo + duo vs 3 solo + duo duo + trio vs duo + trio 5 man vs 5 man

This replicates the previous seasons of ranked, while keeping dynamic queue alive. Queue times will be longer for dynamic queue players, but there must be a trade off.

KarKzzMay 11, 20161 votes

Riot should also remove the 3-man premade. Poof, system fixed.

DemainaNyxMay 12, 20161 votes

See, this is all I'm asking for. I play solo a lot, and it would be nice to be against other solos. Having it force premades to at the VERY least play other premades would somewhat level the field a bit.

Or even add a check box or something that says "match me with solo only (may result in longer queue time)".

theArtifactsMay 10, 20163 votes

Don't like dynamic queue? Play a different game. That's the only way you'll get Riot's attention.

AsydeMay 10, 20163 votes

{quoted}

Don't like dynamic queue? Play a different game. That's the only way you'll get Riot's attention.

Don't like playing as a team? Play a different game. That's the only way you'll be happy.

Fixed that for you.

SuicideJMay 10, 20166 votes

Actually you can play as a team with randoms just as well as your opponents can.. Thus the skill to communicate and play as a team, as well as have knowledge of the game and champions and how to play the champions, come in to play and are set against the enemy teams same stats.

Fixed that for you.

theArtifactsMay 11, 20162 votes

{quoted}

Don't like playing as a team? Play a different game. That's the only way you'll be happy.

Fixed that for you.

What suicide said "Actually you can play as a team with randoms just as well as your opponents can.. Thus the skill to communicate and play as a team, as well as have knowledge of the game and champions and how to play the champions, come in to play and are set against the enemy teams same stats.

Fixed that for you. "

AsydeMay 11, 20161 votes

{quoted}

What suicide said "Actually you can play as a team with randoms just as well as your opponents can.. Thus the skill to communicate and play as a team, as well as have knowledge of the game and champions and how to play the champions, come in to play and are set against the enemy teams same stats.

Fixed that for you. "

When I say team, I meant cooperation. Not premades. The OP is concerned about his individual skill not being recognized by his rank/que. So let me rephrase

"Don't like playing together like a team? play a different game."

PbJMpP4xzkMay 11, 20161 votes

let me fix this one for you, play a different game so less solo player will fill the dynamicQ which will result in nobody will play as a team since nobody will be able to enter game your welcome its fixed now.

KarKzzMay 11, 20161 votes

Funny because riot is destroying the "team" part of the game. By removing the ability for high rank team to train.

Ranked team ? Gone. DynaQ with your team that have a D2 and a master ? Gone. Soon tournaments will be gone too.

Dextix LTMay 10, 20162 votes

Soon(tm).

SuicideJMay 10, 20162 votes

"Why must I rely on Common Sense and Logic? Why must I use strategy and tactics? Why must I use Teamwork and Communication?"

Riot.. They do not understand these things..

Arakk01May 11, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=9 inches of love,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qwPA4pgu,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-05-10T15:57:48.640+0000)

Why should anyone think before a match "i hope my premades are good this time", every match you're either going to stomp or get stomped. If you ever dare to say anything to one of them they will all gang up on you like you are some lab rat for psychological torture, meanwhile the enemy team is warding good enough to destroy every move you make. The only people that will defend this system are the ones abusing it, you have normals for this why should it be forced in ranked, a place where you are supposed to compare your skill/progress to everyone else on a ladder. Sorry for the rant but I had to vent my frustration on this matter...

I just have to comment on this.. ROFL. "I hope my premades are good this time". Sounds kinda like "I hope my randoms are good this time". Randoms did the gang up thing too. They could be total strangers.

Also, I defend this system. Because sometimes, there's two people on your team who aren't assholes and that's two people less picked at random. As you mentioned- you carry people into the game with you knowing their playstyles and knowing you can get along with them. Why not? (Not every premade is 4-man, a solo being matched with a 4-man is very rare. Also, not every premade uses voice! )

KillerKellMay 11, 20162 votes

I just played 17 Games over 2 Days... and not a single one had a 4 Man on either team.

Some had duo, one had a trio that was likely, but not a single 4 Man was evident.

I'm wondering how you guys always seem to hit a 100% Rate with it.

And how you ALWAYS get the mouth breathing 4 Man. Every. Single. Time.

Hyperbole, much?

9 inches of loveMay 11, 20163 votes

I at least get 4 premades 40% of the time, I do have really bad luck tho, in the end its random to some it happens more than to others. its mostly 3 people like you have said but I rarely see less than that...

KillerKellMay 11, 20161 votes

I can understand bad luck.

In general, these things should be 50/50, but so is a coin flip and if you toss a coin 10 times you likely aren't getting 5 of each outcome. Takes a bigger spectrum to match up.

I got hit with that on DC/AFK when I first started playing... but then I was really really bad and my MMR matched me with people that didn't just suck, but also trolled or couldn't keep a connection (and I've been that Bad Connection guy from time to time, so I understand). I tracked my games, and literally over 30% of my Season 4 Ranked had an AFK/DC in it, and of that 30% over 75% of them were against my team (I didn't count 'even' where both had the same amount of AFK/DC).

So yeah, it happens. Short end of the stick and all.

This Season... not so much. My MMR is up to just the sucky people, not the Trolls and Bad Net guys, so I get way less games with that as an Issue.

It's not an MMR issue, likely, with Pre-Mades... though it could be. At least to a small extent.

The good thing to know is, eventually it sways the other way. Just may take, you know... all of Season 4 like it did for me.

OldDirtayMay 11, 20162 votes

i love how everyone is acting like everyones exp is the same, they arent

let me tell u a quick story about my 2 acts one account i had the "pleasing" experience of playing my first 10 ranked games... game 1, afk on my team...loss game 2, 2 afks on my team..loss continue this, out of those 10 games, 8 of them had an afk in it...fun fact, 2 of those 8 games had TWO afks on my team....bronze 5....(fun fact all afks were on my team)

my friend starts playing....round this time im b2-b1, my friend hits 30 and plays ranked.....has an average of 0/12 everygame and still got carried 5 games and he got silver 5 (btw he kept playing till he eventually hit b5 and quit but only after ruining...hmm...5 games per division at least so thats 25 games at least where he totally ruined their games b4 quitting because he simply didnt know how to play

so i make another account with him as he was leveling up (i didnt play ranked with him for obv reasons)

i make this new account, win 9-10/10...cant remember but i got placed g5

to this day, that first account with the afks in it...every game i play at LEAST 2 people feed....not do bad....like 1/17 bad and still to this day my 2nd act that i still play it still seems equal (or dare i say more inclinded to my side considering its 41w 21 losses atm

but at the end of the day, does everyone get 10afks on their team in the first 8 ranked games every? no but i did does everyone get the same amount of bad people on their team? no do people get more lucky than others?yes do people get more unloucky than others? yes

but i do find it funny when people come on here and try to defend dynamic que with stuff like "you dont fight a 4 man every game" lets get facts on the table is a premade with voice comms at an advantage to people not premade? yes did ranked lose its integrity with DQ? yes games less equal in terms of skill and comebacks? yes is fighting a 4man unfair if you dont have one on your team?yes

why are we debating how often it happens and not why is this happening to begin with?

and last, but certainly not least....the fact that people keep debating yet nobody has proof either way

but i do!, so to those that say "people who want soloQ arent the majority or that more people like DQ" are wrong and ill tell you why

within the first week a strawpoll was released on wether soloque or dynamic que was the pref and was posted on the boards... by day 2, over 125000 (one hundred and twenty five thousand) voted on the poll and guess which one was ahead? soloque by over 80k

now some will say "thats not actual evidence" in which case ill point out 2 simple facts #1 the people who voted on it play league and obv know the question #2 its the only "facts" we have atm, sure riot said most pref it but honestly out of the people here who got the survey? and if it doesnt go by surveys what does it go by? hopefully not those who actually play it...considering u took out the other option for it (aka, if u had a car and a bike and i took ur car away...would u use the bike? or not use it cuz ud rather have the car? case n point)

so at the end of the day, we have riots "word" on the matter (keep in mind how far their word goes with how many times they said one thing then did another) but on the other hand we have a straw poll of hundreds of thousands of people saying otherwise

its like the saying "dont piss on my leg and tell me its raining" sure i could believe riot in what they say w/o any actual evidence but then i look at the peoples feelings in game i look at what a majority not only say but almost all can agree upon (like premades having an advantage over solos) i look at straw polls and i look at what pros say....

and then i find myself saying u know what, they make good points....u know what else...riot showed no evidence....u know what, this game isnt as fun as it used to be and not even close while steadily going downhill in terms of balance on top of these

so in closing, the ONLY reasons why you would support dynamic que -dont care about ranked integrity -dont care about skill equality in matches -dont care about que time -dont care one team could have an advantage -dont care u might get put against premades as non premades or just a duo vrs a 5 que type of deal -dont wanna play anything other than ranked with friend -dont care about getting boosted

if u have any other reasons for supporting dynamic que feel free to hollar why, but atm i cant for the life of me see why any of those things are good besides possibly playing with friends in which case there is normals to do that and if u cant handle queing as 5 in every other mode than ranked and throw its integrity out the window then maybe you shouldnt be playing or voicing ur opinion if it only hurts the overall because you might be able to cheat the system and get ahead (look at the streamers, some even saying boosted in the name now)

in the end im just glad they had that whole crackdown on boosters for like what a year? then turn around and make it perfectly acceptable months later

i just find myself questioning how many people can think its raining when they are standing in a sprinkler and looking directly at it and disregarding basic facts (like there being a fking sprinkler)

stop being sheep, take in the facts, and think for yourselves....if there is no facts, maybe you should ask questions like why are there no facts, what is there to lose from not hiding the facts, what is there to gain from hiding the facts, who does this help, who does this hurt, why?

instead of this, well riot said its this way so it must be.......bc this way of thinking never backfired ever.....

stop being sheep, and if ur defending DQ, come with a reason....a real one....besides the typical i wanna play with friends even if it destroys ranked integrity....or least admit it....but dont come in here and say DQ is better and a majority like DQ more/ it doesnt make matches unequal

facts show a majority in fact want soloq facts show as far as better, soloq wins and i dont think i have to explain why a premade vs non premades or uneven pairs like a duo vrs a 4man que is unfair nor should i have to explain that these games do happen and sometimes to some more than others

come with the facts or dont come at all, nobody minds listening but let me say that im sure im not alone when i say gtfo if u have nothing to add in a factual way....simple, u like it then explain why, you dont? then explain why....

stay sheep

AsydeMay 10, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=9 inches of love,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qwPA4pgu,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-05-10T15:57:48.640+0000)

The dynamic queue makes no sense in the first place, why should anyone be forced to play with and against people that not only know each other's playstyles but can also communicate using voice chat to easily outplay the opponents.

... If there is better communication, and better chance to "easily outplay" your opponents, then dynamic quo officially worked in your favor. There will be better teamwork in your matches and you will win more frequently. So why is this a bad thing?

Now you might think, your team also has 4 premades so you cant complain, but why should I have to rely on my premades instead of my own skill and knowledge.

Why play a multiplayer game at all then? If you want a game that tests your own individual skill then either play 1v1, or go play a different single player game. This is a 5v5 team oriented game (NOT A SINGLE PLAYER ONLY GAME), every single game you rely heavily on your teammates and not just your own individual skill.

Even in the previous Solo/Duo que, every game you still relied on your teammates and it was a lottery of who you would get (how good they communicated, how toxic they were, how skilled they were etc...) So how has that changed? Is it not still a lottery?

Why should anyone think before a match "i hope my premades are good this time", every match you're either going to stomp or get stomped.

Did you not used to think, "I hope my teammates are good this time, the last ones i got sucked and we got stomped". or "I hope I get the same team again, we stomped". How has that changed?

If you ever dare to say anything to one of them they will all gang up on you like you are some lab rat for psychological torture, meanwhile the enemy team is warding good enough to destroy every move you make.

This I can understand, having your team turn against you is never fun. Particularly if they are united against you. Toxicity and unsportsmanlike conduct is a reportable offense. If you feel they are treating you poorly or making you angry, simply mute them, and play the game to the best of your ability. If you feel a report is needed then do so after the game. RIOT nor you can control the actions of other players, It is up to you do not stoop to their level and report it afterward, and up to RIOT to apply the necessary punishments.

The only people that will defend this system are the ones abusing it, you have normals for this why should it be forced in ranked, a place where you are supposed to compare your skill/progress to everyone else on a ladder.

I play 90+% of all my games solo so i'm not abusing it, I agree with the concept of Dynamic Que, but I can certainly agree that it isn't perfect. I've been in every situation you described at one point or another. Looking at your post objectively, it seems your biggest complaint is your rank. You want your rank to reflect your personal skill (understandable) but you are fighting in a team game with players that can effect your personal rank outcome.

So at it's core that kind of logic is flawed (another reason why they moved to Dynamic Que). The ranking system has always been set up to show how well you and the teammates you've been paired with are able to work together to acheive your objectives. Not a personal ranking of how well you specifically performed.

I think the only way for RIOT to rank individual performance the way you want, is to base it off of mastery points (S, A, B, C, D etc..). Keep the normal ranking system, but introduce an additional rank (not an additional que) that goes up or down based on the points you accrue individually in each game.

SuicideJMay 10, 20163 votes

Playing blind as a team takes just as much skill as playing with sight of the objective. If the teams want that level of communication with strangers then they will definitely have the determination to get what they need from their team. But at least it is equal on both sides.

TotalJerkMay 11, 20161 votes

having to play with 4 premades every time

Lol, you're full of shit.

doodedgeMay 11, 20161 votes

I played 20ish ranked matches this season just to get gold for the rewards... I didn't even look up the other teams to know who's premade or not. Didn't have any issues, not sure why you're crying because it seemed fine to me. Maybe it's a high elo issue?

PbJMpP4xzkMay 11, 20161 votes

so classic the DynamicQ lovers coming over the board and blatantly lies about thiers recent games lawl pathetic

the best anwser a solo player can make is moving on and play something else till they bring back the soloQ meanwhile the queue time will grow so much in time that nobody will be able to play the game unless if they are 5 premade which will result in were we where before DQ (ranked team + soloQ) GG solo players won. #keepboycottingranked

ThubanMay 11, 20161 votes

I think what you really want to ask is an option for matchmaking to refuse matching you up with premades. Sure a queue would take longer, but it would be worth it.

QuephaMay 11, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=9 inches of love,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qwPA4pgu,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-05-10T15:57:48.640+0000)

Im tired of having to play with 4 premades every time

You already don't.

Your dream has come true.

JonxxMay 11, 20161 votes

To be honest, let's be real. How many games did you really have with 4 man premade. I bet not a lot. How many games with 4 man premade were nice, and you didn't even notice they were premades? I'm sure a lot of them.

PS. Not like I dislike idea of Soloq, I'm all for it. It's just I can't pass stupid arguments like that lol.

FinalFlareMay 11, 20161 votes

I personally don't have a problem when its obvious that there are matching or similar groups on each team. My problem is when i look at each team and see a 3 or 4 man all with the same clan tag on the enemy team and not seeing even a duo with a shared clan tag. It seems to happen to me every few games or so.

Obungo May 11, 20161 votes

Is it that hard to find friends and "use voice chat to easily outplay the opponents?"

If you can't find people to play with, don't play a team-centered game....Its really not that hard....Riot has been saying something like DQ will come out since season 2...

Also 4 man premades don't happen "every game." As a solo player myself, I've seen 2 4 man premades in the past 40 games, and they werent even toxic.. This kid probably flamed the 4 man and got triggered when they refused to talk to him..

9 inches of loveMay 13, 20161 votes

I've been playing team based games before you knew how to talk boy don't think you know anything about this type of game because you play a casual moba. Playing with friends is one of the dumbest things that anyone can do because it stalls your improvement, if you were already really good and you played with 4 other players that could compete with some of the best players in the world then that would make sense, but you are obviously not one of them and neither are your friends, going around on forums talking stuff you have no idea about while using stupid words like "toxic", that word wasn't even a thing before riot came along and it should have never been. Look up some old lan quake/cs matches or for mostly any competitive team game and you will see people trash talking live right in front of their opponents because this works as a psychological strategy, ofc the special butterflies that riot has created with their communist rules can't even take it if someone calls them bad even if it's true. If riot wouldnt have changed the game so that it is hard for a single person to win on his own then the DQ wouldnt have mattered as much, but combined with the new completely team reliant game makes it impossible for someone to win on his own, you have to pray that you get a team that will work good enough together which barely uses anything you know of the game... Also anyone that says that before DQ you also had to rely on not getting bad players in order to win or people that know how to play as a team either has started playing in season 4 or was bronze/silver before that, before season 4 you could easily win a game on your own even if you had an afk or feeder, actually it would be easier to win a game back then with an afk/feeder than it is to win now without them, assuming you knew how to play that is. I literally won matches completely on my own from season 1 to season 3, ignoring if my team fed or was doing dumb stuff, and im not talking about 1 match that went that way and then I used it as an example, it actually happened 60-70% of my matches, the reason behind that is because of the old queue where you couldn't always get the role you are best at, but if I were to get my role in every match i would at least have 90% winrate, cause even if i said you could win with feeders and afks it wouldnt always happen. Now, most of you will probably think im talking out of my ass but if you had 1600 elo or higher you know what im talking about, if you just started playing you can watch old videos from like season 2 and see people dominating like 20/2 on their on most of their matches if they are playing in lower elo, but im not talking about pro matches, go watch real solo queue matches from back then. Anyway I won't respond to anythin anymore i've quit this game I don't think it will ever get good again.

BloodyTomponMay 11, 20161 votes

Because it's a team game. It's that simple.

As a point that seems to be coming up all the time I'd like to point out two things. There is little difference between thinking 'I hope my premades are good' and 'I hope my 4 other solo teammates are good'. You have no agency over either. Secondly, being feast or famine is a characteristic of matchmaking.