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Not "IF" you win, but "HOW" you win...

NemesisPony·12/21/2019, 12:28:03 PM·4 votes·2,809 views

Just as a challenge... Try...

  • Picking up a champion you have never played and is not in the first 3 tiers of the Tier list for that role
  • Pick a champion you have barely any previous knowledge of
  • Play the game with all your OWN item builds, runes and ability progression
  • Play WITHOUT looking up ANY guides for that character or external information.

Try it and see if you can operate WITHOUT an internet guide?

Then see if you agree with me that it might not have been you all along that won games but the various advantages that Riot have given you and your meta champion over the years?

Try and keep an open mind and you may come to better understand how players of unviable or unfavorited champions may feel. I think everyone can benefit from seeing the issues of League from the other side.

See if you actually feel better for playing something completely unfamiliar to you and out of your own decision making rather then whatever Riot/Internet tells you.

Feel free to tell me about your experience doing that and TRY TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND WHILE DOING IT.

11 Comments

DerMangoJoghurt12/21/2019, 12:39:48 PM3 votes

I've always played like that and been enjoying every single season so far.

I feel like people who are always copying builds, runes, skill orders, and meta champions from others are missing out on half the fun of playing League.

Then see if you agree with me that it might not have been you all along that won games but the various advantages that Riot have given you and your meta champion over the years?

Quite the opposite. I'm often surprised how well you can do on champions that are supposed to be "thrash". I tried playing Yuumi and Corki recently and in neither of those games I felt like I was at a disadvantage for playing those champs.

Subdue12/21/2019, 6:15:02 PM3 votes

I wonder if I'd hide behind a smurf too if I had such ridiculous opinions.

FOR JUSTICE12/22/2019, 2:37:26 AM3 votes

ok so take zed, kassadin, diana, fizz, yasuo, or nocturne and go 1v1 against dopa's orianna. im sure if skill doesnt matter and its all champion you would have no problem beating him senseless.

iMidg3t12/21/2019, 1:55:51 PM2 votes

So you want players to shoot themselves in the foot by taking something they dont know how to play with just to prove your point?

Ofc players wont be able to win with something they dont know how to use, thats a common thing not only in games but in life aswell. So idk what you trying to do here honestly.

Chainman312/21/2019, 3:08:45 PM1 votes

Then see if you agree with me that it might not have been you all along that won games but the various advantages that Riot have given you and your meta champion over the years?

Let me pose a counter to this argument for you.

Picking up a champion YOU have never played and is not in the first 3 tiers of the Tier list for that role Pick a champion YOU have barely any previous knowledge of Play the game with all your OWN item builds, runes and ability progression Play WITHOUT looking up ANY guides for that character or external information.

In the first 3 cases it shows that YOUR knowledge on a character can help you. In the last case it shows that YOU had to do something to get that knowledge. Much like someone who puts in time to learn a champion. Someone who takes the time to research on a champion is doing the same. Why do you feel that for a player to become experienced at a champion or to be considered "as him winning" he has to first play the game without any outside help on the champion? Why cant the credit for them winning go to them regardless of the research they did?

Let me ask you a question now.

Would you give the credit to the player if they won, but read the champion's abilities outside of the game? If so tell me how this is different than looking up guides and builds?

If yes, then you're saying the player going into a game with the knowledge of the champion's abilities is okay, but going in with knowledge of what builds are good on the champion isnt okay. The keyword here is knowledge. You cant draw the line of knowledge where you want and say past this you dont get credit for playing the champion well. Furthermore, knowledge doesnt execute the game for you, it only helps you make the right decisions. For example how many players know seeker's armguard is insanely strong against ad assassins and yet they never buy it on ap champs against ad assassins.

If no, then you're being consistent with your argument and would also be making a terrible argument because to play a champion you need to know what they do.

Skia Asteri12/21/2019, 5:32:07 PM1 votes

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  • Picking up a champion you have never played and is not in the first 3 tiers of the Tier list for that role
  • Pick a champion you have barely any previous knowledge of

The difference between people playing something they are have played a lot of recently in games close to or above their current MMR versus people that have not is a night and day difference. So nothing meaningful can be taken from such a challenge until the champion people switch to is no longer unfamiliar. Having a good amount of recent practice means so much more than the difference between strong and weak champions.

vimaid12/21/2019, 5:45:24 PM1 votes

Knowledge is a skill. Also just because you know and did some research on lets say ahri you copy a buildand runes, it doesn't mean You automatically start dodging skill shots or automatically hitting her charm.

CrazyMonkeyCZ12/21/2019, 1:01:38 PM1 votes

Picking up a champion you have never played Then see if you agree with me that it might not have been you all along that won games

Well maybe if I played that champ... You know... I learned him, thus it's mostly me who won, not big bad evil company that gave me big advantage.

you may come to better understand how players of unviable or unfavorited champions may feel.

Back then, when my champ kinda sucked(Rumble mid), I was happy, no one picked him, no one knew how to react to him, they were uncomfortable playing vs me. I will never come to understand how some mains(Wukongs/Shacos come to mind) want their champ to get some buffs to shine again.

Another question, it came out like you feel players of "unviable"(this term doesn't exist in LoL outside of proscene) or unfavorited champions may feel somehow sad, but how should eg. Morde mains feel? Being main of meta pick sucks dick, yet you are acting like it is some kind of sacrilegious act that mine champ got hit by Riot.

One big aspect of this game is "Take what you can, what every one can take and make the best use of it", it sounds like you blame players who want to win and learn via guides/builds etc., which is kinda stupid honestly or Riot for changing meta(they do it, every season, there wasn't time where players were truly happy, much later, they somehow twisted their memories and felt like they were, but whatever).

Anyway, stop acting like trying to win is somehow bad or wrong, winning is fun, at least for majority(only guess), so I'm sorry that I feel like great player picking up Lee sin and crushing enemies.

Here is challange for you, pick "OP meta champ" and show us how you did with those advanteges you got from Riot.

And also as someone who played for 10 years, there isn't really champ that would be unfamiliar for me and I again guess that goes for majority of semi-"serious" players.