just remove rengo's clense
it becomes cancer when u try to catch him with cc actually i would like to see the rework reverted because at least back then rengo took some skill to pull off all things in one jump
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I would agree with just the cleanse. Or at the very least... remove the immunity for the duration afterward.
An assassin as NO BUSINESS having such things built into its kit. An ideal counterplay would be to have more than one stun on the team so people actually have to work as a team, but... no... if one stun is cleansed, he can just be immune now. If you just want to burst him down? Oh, his W has a heal as well.. also, it deals damage based on the damage inflicted to him.
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He can keep the cleanse. It's the freaking immunity AFTERWARDS that pisses me off.
nonono
leave the cleanse
and remove everything else
I agree, straight up revert this bullshit. He used to take a ton of skill to do triple Q animation cancel. now i see monkies building full tank first timing and still doing well
How is he supposed to escape afterwards? He is supposed to be an assassin, afterall
Also, Riot said they tested his W with just a cleanse and it sucked.
You don't counterplay Rengar by CCing him. You counter him by removing the crit from your carries (standing at the right place). If you do, he loses a huge portion of his damage which means he will have to use emp Q to kill = No CC immunity
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I would agree with you if it wasn't the only thing his new kit has going for him.
His new kit without the cleanse would be a completely braindead version of the old kit, except even more linear and frustrating. What's worse is that it wouldn't even be fun for the Rengar player. It would just be a mess that no one would bother touching.
Right now he's not even an Assassin anymore; he's a Bruiser. If the rest of his kit was worked into the playstyle of an Assassin, I'd be all for removing his empowered W. But as it is right now, removing that would make him unplayable.
because at least back then rengo took some skill to pull off all things in one jump
You mean it took low ping
Nothing like seeing this big cat jump out of stealth saving the ally from their imminent death but not getting the kill on rengo cause he gets a get out of jail free card installed into his kit. Like wtf he already deletes people at all stages of the game why does he need immunity to the one thing that can stop him from ripping you a new one?[zombie-brand-mindblown]
The assassin build has more counterplay built into it than before, especially as the game goes on. It's sort of like if Zed ults you except the warning you have occurs in a slightly different way. You have similar options, if not more with teamwork (he can't just click on anyone he wants after all).
The bruiser build though is just dumb and doesn't feel like Rengar. Just like with past bruiser assassin builds, he benefits too much from a free source of decent damage, his passive. It's not that difficult to get 1 or 2 kills with his kit, but it is more difficult to pull off a win with a glass cannon build. They could just change that up more and he'd be garbage without buying damage items to kill.
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God yes pls revert, I 1 tricked him for 2 seasons and I prefer the old 1 way more. The easiest way to balance the old 1 was to just remove his ability to crit on Q and tweak everything else from there.
Remember when Gangplank had a guaranteed crit dash that made killing easy while also having one of the defensive abilities for melee ad? No wait, Gangplank actually had to work for his damage in exchange for that tool in his power budget. Like why the actual fuck does Rengar have GP cleanse and better one shotting post rework when he's had a history of being nerfed for being overbearing?
I think rioters working on the reworks would rather kill themselves then admit even indirectly that their idea was bad.
Or make it like Sivir's. Cleanse any CC and limit it to the next ability (does NOT block damage, but will block the CC IF and ONLY IF the next ability delivers it. The spellshield will be popped regardless if the next ability has CC or not.)
Raise the cooldown of Q is what they need to do, IMO. It's too easy to get empowered abilities because he can spam Q for it and it gets even worse once he gets 
and 
. The Q makes it too easy for him to actually get an empowered E off.
Every other Assassin has a way out after they blow someone up. Rengar doesn't. The problem isn't that the cleanse is there, the problem is that a combination of factors is making it overpowered.
remove cleanse ,but give some sort of get out like every assassins does.
They've reworked Rengar two times. And both times they don't know what they want him to be:
The first rework focused on giving a fighter assassin tools. He gained ferocity on jumping after ultimate, he could hold ferocity before jumping someone (preparation before fighting is a good assassin design). It failed because he became a squishy seeking missile that would 100% delete his target and then make the fight 4v4.
This rework considered him an assassin, yet gave him a fighter treatment: his ferocity no longer holds (encourages longer fights so he can use strong abilities), gave him AoE (fighter mechanic), gave him heal and CC immunity (100% fighter mechanic, no assassin should have this) and made his ult less reliable (sorta neutral result).
Even after two reworks they still don't know what they want out of Rengar, if he's either a fighter that wants extended engages to do good damage or an assassin that jumps in, does his thing (varying damage windows), goes out safely.
The 1.5s of persistent CC immunity needs to go and both normal and empowered roar shouldn't do damage. There should be a bigger cost in damage overall for using empowered roar.
actually i would like to see the rework reverted because at least back then rengo took some skill to pull off all things in one jump.
Disclaimer:Yes, remove the fucking cleanse. I'm not actually going against the point.
Look...the damage output was way too high. It was not as hard to do in mid flight except for the E ofcourse. Especially since most of the people use Quick Cast so they don't have to press an extra button. Q+W is not hard to do in mid-air and it now has much less burst potential.
An assassin jumps in? What's his counterplay? CC him? lol k.
It's a hard topic because this specifically falls under riots goals with the assassin update. The difference between a burst mate and an assassin is that assassins need a way in and most importantly an escape. Just like Leblanc or zed, this champion is mean to escape from an assassination.
Personally having played a decent amount of him (and against him), it is quite balanced. If you choose to empower for immunity, especially late, it means you will be doing A LOT less damage. Plus with crazy support items like redemption, locker, exhaust... you likely won't get anything if you empower W.
You guys are overdoing it. After an empowered W there is nothing else a rengar can do. Btw do you guys know he gets a stack if he jumps from brush? So if a rengar doesn't start his combo from brush he can't get an empowered skill off and btw none of his skills besides his q do real damage . They already nerfed the Q and the E for damage and his passive. The immunity on his W is so that you can escape a morgana Q and **RUN AWAY **from the situation not go back in and kill someone and it will be on passive so he can't heal again.... You guys seem to think also that his W is on CD like his Q. That is wrong. Level 1 W starts at 20 seconds and no good rengar main levels it until after Q or after Q and E. It seems like you guys play a whole other game and are just here to whine about a champion I think you guys played against once and lost. I feel like no one here knows how hard it really it to calculate whether you are going to root your target(E), hit and escape(W), or go ALL IN and do empowered (Q.)
EDIT: His ult can be countered so easily... stand under a tower or stand in a brush with a teammate and the rengar will (A) jump at you and die under tower (B) jump at you with your friend in the brush so you can f*ck him or (C) he'll run away with his tail between his legs because he can't target someone else and his ult is quickly running out. come on guis AND YOU GUYS ACT LIKE A RENGAR FED CAN CARRY. HE CAN'T I'VE TRIED.
RENGAR IS BALANCED