To pt in perspective how seriously overbuffed pykes ult has been

Hibeki·12/29/2018, 6:37:18 PM·93 votes·20,044 views

Pykes ult has been way overbuffed since release. Lets do some math!

Pykes ult on release at level 6 originally had 190 + 60% BAD.

Currently, it does 250 + 80% + 1.5 per 1 Lethality.

Assuming both adaptive force and the health rune has been taken, along with item 3302 item 1036 item 1036 item 3134 , his total bonus AD is 63. 6 from the health. (His ult would do even less if you didn't count the adaptive force and health runes since they didnt exist on release)

Release ult with these stats: 190 + 37.8 (60% of 63) = 227.8

Now ult with these stats: 250 + 50.4 (80% of 63) + 25.5 (17 lethality, sudden impact and serrated dirk) = 325.9

At level 6, its already the best true damage ult in the game. It has Darius's reset, is AOE, gives full gold, and has no stacking mechanic, yet still is nearly equal to every other true damage execute in the game of Cho'Gath's 300 base and 50% ap, and Darius's 200 base with 150% BAD (with stacking though)

Somethings gotta go man, the ult is way too powerful to have more/equal damage to every other single target true damage execute. You cannot have an AOE resetting, gold giving, AOE execute and still have it compete with damage.

Every damn buff needs removed. Every single one. His utility and survivability have been buffed enough to keep him a relevant pick, Im just tired of his ult taking off 40% of my HP at every point in the game.

100 Comments

Hayaishi212/29/2018, 7:20:04 PM54 votes

Pyke is overpowered as fuck, i've no idea how Riot actually uses their so called "data" to balance but anyone can tell Pyke is simply OP without their precious "data"

Metal Janna12/29/2018, 9:51:26 PM25 votes

OP forgot to mention that his ridiculously strong execute is also safe to use. Why is Pyke allowed to fail his ult and not even need his escape tool to get out of the middle of the enemies?

Nea10412/29/2018, 11:33:59 PM17 votes

Pyke shows everything Season 8 has been.

  • Incompetent coders/designers
  • Incompetent balance team
  • Burst/one-shot fiesta all the time, for no reason
  • Mindless diving / engaging been allowed and actually incentivized (fail-proof)
  • Tanks been removed from the game TahmKench Sejuani Shen, but tanky-ish stat given to "flashy champ" Pyke Irelia etc.
  • True supports been removed from the game (if they can't garantee a one-shot)

And most of all:

  • People abusing broken sh stuff getting rewarded for doing so.

Zero expectations for Season 9.

Rabbi Shekelberg12/29/2018, 7:48:12 PM11 votes

Pyke’s Ult execution threshold should be hard capped against everyone at any stage of the game for at least 50% max HP. No matter how fed Pyke is, it should be hard capped at all costs.

BlueBilberry12/29/2018, 7:08:09 PM7 votes

I liked tank Pyke to be honest - he was like an improved Thresh. Removing that aspect and replacing it with the current changes just means he'll be joining the permaban ranks for a bit.

Jaspers12/29/2018, 8:16:19 PM6 votes

At level 6 without any bonus Ad it will still do a 30% of most ADC and enchanters hp. As said champs if you are that low around then, you might as well leave lane and back. Hardly counter play... Oh sorry I mean dodge it. :-P

Illabethe12/30/2018, 4:55:30 PM5 votes

Here's the problem with your argument. You are taking his ult modifications out of context, and only in a stock view of level 6.

Here's how that same number comparison looks at level 16:

Old: 655+ (60 BAD)

New: 550+ 80% BAD + 1.5 per Lethality.

The Base damage has lost 105. The scaling is up and might compensate for some of it, but in reality...... there aren't many games where Pyke will reach a full build, and unless you are full build and full AD, the New actually has a lower HP threshold as it levels up.


You're also completely ignoring the fact this is a champ who was reworked to be worthless mobility-wise UNLESS he build Lethality ONLY. He was changed from tank viable to Lethality exclusive. And, anyone whose played Pyke knows..... his Agency and Survivability as full Lethality is extremely questionable at all elos where people know what they are doing. You can CC him for a short duration and pop him like a grape atm.

His early game Ult buff is a direct tradeoff for the fact he lost SIZEABLE survivability.

saltran12/29/2018, 10:36:23 PM5 votes

I dont think his ultimate is a problem, how hard to punish his mistakes are since he can escape from everything with W and E is the problem.

The thigh guy12/29/2018, 10:42:09 PM4 votes

Every champion after kayn was a mistake tbh. They are all overloaded out their ass, shit out damage and get free sustaine of some kind. It’s basicaly playing the game on easy mode.

LXII12/29/2018, 8:25:12 PM4 votes

I'm no expert so I could be off base, but I think they just need to bail on the idea that he's a support. If they removed his gold giving, then balanced him around solo lane or jungle play it might be less annoying to deal with. I don't even care that he can execute from insane %s, I care that he always has an adc right there to make sure I get low enough to be ulted almost immediately. If he didn't share gold then at least somebody (the adc in this situation) would be missing out while he kills everyone. Then you'd only have to worry about killing him since he has all the gold. As it stands he becomes a massive threat, but the adc is also just as deadly because they didn't miss out on any gold.

ODiiiiiN12/30/2018, 4:11:24 AM4 votes

I'm not exaggerating when I say this... I ban Pyke in every single game. Its just his R... when u're at bot lane sometimes it comes down to everyone being low health.. if there's a pyke he can just double R and end the lane. Its unfair AF. A lot can happen when everyone is low.. but not when there is a Pyke around.

TotalJerk12/30/2018, 4:35:15 PM4 votes

Okay but there is no fucking way Pyke already has item 3302 item 1036 item 1036 item 3134 at level 6.

Tuition Fee12/30/2018, 10:17:53 PM2 votes

Unpopular opinion: I think Pyke is balanced. His hook isn't an instant cast like Blitz's, which means you can definitely move out of the way the moment you see him charging it up. He can't build health, which means he's a squishy assassin, and usually dies after cc'd. His grey health is basically Tahm's bonus passive, except he can't shield himself. He's actually got sub par mobility for an assassin, and his invisibility literally warns enemies that he's nearby, unlike Twitch or Eve. Ult's initial cd is actually quite long, meaning if he doesnt execute, he needs to wait a long af time at level 6.

Done2512/30/2018, 2:03:01 AM2 votes

You forgot to mention that the new AD ratio is bonus AD. Not a huge thing, but a distinctive one.

LordGeovanni12/30/2018, 12:15:59 AM2 votes

Pykes ult got better base damage for some reason instead of just better scaling. Other than that hes a decent champion maybe could stand to lose some base damage on his basic spells for better scaling and better Cooldowns at rank 5 for skills