I made a post yesterday that got nowhere http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/mbhTgrge-veigar-on-the-pbe-with-balefull-strike-range-increase-why
So i will try to ask in a different way, what do you think could make veigar more balanced ?
That range increase got revert fyi
ive seen a veigar with 400 ap passive boost at 25 min and he wasnt even fed. He had like 1200 ap with 3 items lool.
Perfectly balanced. Has clear strengths and weaknesses. In fact probably a little on the strong side, his teamfight potential is just godly.
I definitely love playing him.
I think instead of granting him AP, his passive should grant him stacks 'evil power' (or some other arbitrary name). The number of stacks he has will determine the percentage of bonus AP he receives.
This will fix two things.
He will be significantly weaker early game because he will not have high AP totals (compared to other champions of the same level with the same amount of gold invested in AP), so a small percentage, or even a larger percentage will not amount to much. Later in the game his AP totals from items, runes, masteries, buffs, .. and so on, will be higher so his accumulated stacks will grant a stronger percentage, allowing him to scale up to the monster he is now.
The other thing this will fix is the issue of Veigar building very low amounts of AP, and still being an AP monster by simply being an annoying little shit. He will need to build AP items so the higher percentage of bonus AP will amount to something.
If there is any concern for this making his early game too much weaker he can start with a decently high percentage with a low number of stacks, and the percentage increases more slowly or with a larger number of stacks needed to reach the next tier.
For example,
5 Stacks = +20% bonus AP 10 Stacks = +35% bonus AP 20 stacks = +48% bonus AP 35 Stacks = +55% bonus AP 45 Stacks = +60% bonus AP XX Stacks = +XX% bonus AP
These are not intended to be balanced numbers, but they are meant to describe what I mean.
Notice how the number of stacks needed to reach the next Tier increases, but the bonus granted by reaching the next Tier decreases.
He's a little short of being OP.
What do you think about the +2 ap kill bonus? complete bs if you ask me, his weakness is really not in the stacks.
Are you saying he should be nerfed or buffed. I can't tell tbh because i personally dont see him often.
Weak lane, kills you at 6 if you r not careful, amazing lategame.
Strong vs divers and skirmishes in teamfights. Weak vs tanks
I pick him into enemy teams with heavy initiation squishy fighters / divers
I pick vel'koz / zilean vs tanks
