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Tryndamere has lost his identity as a champion and needs a rework.

Skystrike7·8/19/2016, 4:54:52 PM·70 votes·5,946 views

Hello, I am a Tryndamere main since season 3 and I have 325k mastery points on him as of today, so don't think I'm just bad, please :)

Tryndamere has always had an odd place in the meta, he is an annoying splitpusher that towerdives and 1v1's everybody. I always saw him as the 'king of crit' and an unkillable monster at lvl 6.

But nowadays...That isn't at all unique to Tryndamere. Yasuo, Jhin, and even the reworked Caitlyn are all better known for their huge crits than Tryndamere.

Reworked Taric, Kayle, and Kindred all can allow ANY carry to become unkillable like Tryndamere can. Immunity to death just isn't all that rare anymore.

So what does Tryndamere have? What does he do better than anyone else? I believe he has a identity crisis, and needs a rework to strengthen his strengths, and highlight his weaknesses other than "just cc him". I could provide some suggestions as to what I believe needs to be done, but I will save those for later, no need to stir up controversy in the 1st post :)

175 Comments

Hayaishi28/19/2016, 5:41:00 PM59 votes

No identity? Cancer splitpusher is his identity.

Great Ozymandius8/19/2016, 7:59:07 PM21 votes

I know what he needs... % max health damage! Yeah, that's the ticket! .... But that on it's own would be boring... Maybe we could spice it up with a three hit passive! But he needs more mobility in my opinion... A movespeed boost after he damages someone with an ability? And lower the cooldown on his dash? Also, his early game is weak and non-interactive... Let's give him a ranged aoe damaging slow, and have the hitbox be considerably larger than the visuals, to help him with his harass...

Problem is trynda is often low on life, so how about we have his ultimate restore him to whatever health he had 15 seconds before it ended? Also, shields are good, so how about he gets a shield after he spins into an enemy champion?

Yes, yes, I think I will apply for a job on the balance team.

Teslium8/19/2016, 7:32:50 PM17 votes

He is unique. He is the only champion which has his random abilities thrown into a kit.

venomous frost8/19/2016, 5:00:53 PM15 votes

Tryndamere IS unique, you just cannot say other people build crit, and other champions also have a way to not die, and say tryndamere isn't unique. He is the only champion with free crit chance without item, is mobile and uses a (unique!) rage system

The only thing he needs is his W to be a guaranteed slow, that slow is more random than his early game RNG

Calabok8/19/2016, 5:42:32 PM9 votes

He b cancer of top lane

TheHurricaneGamr8/19/2016, 6:01:33 PM6 votes

If they do rework Tryndamere, he needs a few thing taken on and off in my opinion. What he needs added: Waveclear- Most champions made these days have some kind of waveclear, and Tryndamere has next to none unless you go AP (E damage) or itemizes for ititem 3087 item 3074 Initiation of some sort- Meddler has said that if they do rework Tryndamere, he would get some sort of ability to initiate teamfights, rather than be that guy who NEVER. STOPS. SPLITTING. What he needs removed: His passive- Tryndamere's passive is just a ball of stats, really lacks any interesting gameplay, and leads to player feeling cheated when he deals 3 crits in a row. This could be replaced with a three hit passive or maybe even something that reinforces that reinforces that "Enraged warrior" theme that's seen in his lore. His W- A slow is nice for Tryndamere, but I hate it's only when you're facing away from you, because it makes him that much more sticky and he gets a ranged AD debuff that you have no way to interact with. This alone could be replaced with an initiation ability. His ult- This needs to go the most out of anything. Remember Poppy's old ult and how broken it was? It was unhealthy for the game and was a big reason for Riot keeping her in an underpowered state until her rework. Tryndamere's ult does a similar thing by making him invulnerable for FIVE seconds. Most hard CC does not last longer than two seconds. This ability is really what holds Tryndamere back and if they replaced it by something more interesting and healthy, they could add soooooo much power into other parts of his kit (like his passive)

MonkeyMadness8/19/2016, 10:08:50 PM6 votes

Kind of true for all older champs that haven't been reworked though. I would imagine that if riot wasn't so swamped giving us things we don't want they'd be able to rework trynd in the near future. However, given that riot still thinks we want fkin chroma skins, I can't see them changing trynd for at least a few years.

Goosetard8/20/2016, 4:24:00 PM3 votes

"Critical hit" isn't a champion identity. It doesn't matter if a hit is "critical" or not, what matters is how much damage it deals. Saying his identity is "crit" is saying that his identity is damage, and that's not an identity. This is the same erroneous line of thinking reworked Vel'Koz as a "true damage" mage, which Riot has admitted "didn't quite hit the mark."

The manner in which you deal or prevent damage IS a champion identity. Artillery mage? Identity. Tanky disruptor? Identity.

His identity is melee adc. All melee adc's are given something to try to shoehorn enable them to play a role that has been historically dominated by ranged auto attackers. Because range is what usually keeps an adc safe and allows them to switch between multiple targets around them, this is usually some kind of survival tool and some kind of mobility tool. In Tryndamere's case, that's his ultimate and his spin. Other notable attempts to create one include Master Yi, Yasuo, and reworked Mordekaiser. (Mordekaiser is a particularly interesting case because they had to do really, really absurd things to make him work while not giving him any mobility, like the xp bullshit). Riot will probably keep trying to make one because their designers like to show that they can outsmart the meta. They will probably keep failing because there's a reason it hasn't worked and won't work: being able to deliver steady, reliable DPS cannot healthily coexist with the champion abilities a melee champion requires to be effective and fun to play both as and against.

420 grams8/19/2016, 5:38:10 PM2 votes

He gets to do both (immune to death and high crit). Only thing I'd like changed is making it so putting points in his ult after the first one be worth it