Tahm Kench is still dumb, Riot are just avoiding a big issue

D357R0Y3R·11/9/2019, 4:30:16 PM·16 votes·5,214 views

Doesn't matter what's his win rate I'm not saying Tahm kench is broken, or overpowered, or is the best support right now.

It does not matter what's his current state, Riot just broke his legs, bandaided his kit to preserve his toxic identity of a mobile zhonya.

His ult is 2000 RANGE WHAT THE FUCK HIs E doesn't do anything His Q doesn't apply stacks anymore

all, for his ability to nullify 99% of league's spells with his W to remain, who exactly thinks that tahm players or players who play against tahm kench want that?

You're avoiding the issue, all the nerfs you did to Tahm made the champion unable to function just for the sake of having a toxic identity, he needs his W on ally to be completely removed.

His identity should not be a walking zhonya, please stop with this bullshit and make him an aggressive support with an other unique ability.

30 Comments

Worst Kench NA11/10/2019, 10:47:01 AM4 votes

Riot has a Ryze big problem with Ryze keeping unhealthy things Ryze on champions' kits Ryze for the sake of Ryze preserving their identity.

Ryze Ryze Ryze Ryze Ryze

As someone with Kench in my name for what it's worth, I wouldn't mind if they just took away his ability to devour allies at this point. It's clearly unhealthy.

Varuset11/9/2019, 6:56:08 PM4 votes

Removing allied devour sounds great tbh, especially considering that particularly in low elo people aren't coordinated enough for devour to work well cuz they're too busy spamming to move away so they get spat out and die anyways. I feel Tahm just works better as an aggressive support, given they make his e not useless.

Dope Solo11/9/2019, 10:32:42 PM3 votes

Unpopular opinion - There was nothing wrong with Tahm Kench in the first place.

Imperial Pandaa11/9/2019, 6:44:01 PM3 votes

So, what is the difference between TK devouring team mates and say Braum E or Yasuo W? Maybe you meant QSS and not Zhonya. Because the only time Devour beats Unbreakable or Windwall is when Suppression (Skarner/Malzahar) are involved.

Moody P11/9/2019, 4:52:30 PM3 votes

Would he be healthier if you could at least intercept it before they get swallowed?

Something like how Yuumi works where you would then have to consider timing against enemy AOEs

DartExplosion1011/9/2019, 5:23:27 PM2 votes

200 range ult man thats pretty short

kilyan mbardppe11/9/2019, 5:06:32 PM2 votes

just the fact that he can spit people over the wall is already too much. removing that would be a big step in the right direction.

Jaspers11/10/2019, 12:39:10 AM2 votes

Okay, admittedly I've only played Tahm in ARAM recently but in there Max E you are basically immortal. Take Revitalise and get SV and you are done.

Riot in the whole idea of making him less pick ban in pro have taken the things that made him a good champ instead of taking out the one thing Pros picked him for.

His W on a team mate.

Upping the cooldown isn't going to do anything, a Free QSS for the ADC is more valueble in pro than the state of the champ overall.

Since they removed his passive of bonus HP = bonus damage on autos and abilities (the whole 2 he has that do damage) it means he feel like he's doing anything than being in the way. He has less CC than other Wardens, infact he can't chain his CC anymore, it's one or the other unless it's a prolonged fight.

The fact his Q and W don't stack his passive stacks is just sad. He's been turned into an auto based champ now with a free QSS or a free mini TP for the ADC.

Remove Ally W and then balance him properly.

kilyan mbardppe11/14/2019, 4:35:22 PM2 votes

tham, if you exclude his w on ally legit has no support abilities. in fact, i would say he works similar to mundo: hard to kill, does a lot of dmg for a tank, but as long as you have hard cc and kite him he does nothing. his kit is made for toplane but they want him to keep his get out of jail for free aspect of his w. remove w on allies and you will see he wont be picked as a support but instead as a toplaner( after some buffs because they completely gutted all other aspects of his kit to keep the w ). also you forgot to mention that if he stuns with his q he cant devour the enemy anymore. tham kench right now is a walking qss with a semi global ult at lvl 11( at lvl 6 his ult can get you from tier 1 bot turret to the middle of bot lane, so its basically useless.) but he was still picked at worlds with varus just because he can devour varus, because otherwise there are much better options than him. they can keep the identity of devouring people, but only on enemies. riot has a tendency to keep a toxic part of a champion in the game and gutting the rest of the kit, instead of removing the issue. they were able to sort of solve the issue on aatrox when they realised that he cant have a revive on his r or he is just too reliable on the hands of a good player and they cant balance him properly. why cant they do that with tham? its impossible to make him balanced with the current w because even if he is completely shit, he can still prevent the enemy team from doing anything because he can just devour them if they engage on a target. please riot, remove devour on allies and accept the fact that tham's kit is made for toplane, not support.

Linna Excel11/14/2019, 4:53:37 PM1 votes

He's uninteractive to the extreme and was a terrible idea. He probably needs a VGU that changes his direction.

Part of me says move Leona into AD juggernaut and let TK take over as the ap vanguard tank. Considering he's the incarnation of greed, his gameplay should be all about getting greedy... sort of like pyke is. TBH Pyke is a better representation of greed because riot's gameplay and lore teams can't seem to get their acts together.

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THIS IS WHY I HATE THIS GAME'S LORE SO MUCH!

On My Kill List11/9/2019, 11:47:46 PM1 votes

so preventing 1 shots is toxic? do you even read what your saying? the only reason tahm kench is considered toxic is because of current riots balance philosophy. tahm kench is perfectly fine his w is perfectly fine the only problem is that riot has a hardon for damage and burst and anything that counters those two things will be severely nerfed and gimped.

Talisid11/14/2019, 4:46:37 PM1 votes

Did you miss all the time when he was going top-lane and making it an insufferable nightmare?

Of course Devour is a really problematic ability but he was nerfed for more reasons than just that.