you seriously cannot practice new champs without people raging

ScumbagZed·Dec 29, 2015·5 votes·1,302 views

Just from my experience and a friend of mine's, we have observed that you cannot practice new champions or learn how to play them at any level without someone raging at you for "being a noob" or "youre trash". Its just sad to see the people think everyone should be amazing and not make mistakes, but isn't that what normal games are for after all? Ranked games are for putting the tryhard pants on and giving it your all, normal matches are meant to learn new playstyles and champions. Again, its just really sad to see.

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JefftiffyDec 29, 20154 votes

There's a difference between learning a new champ and going Irelia mid of all places for the first time and rushing a item 3124 (it happened in one of my games earlier today). And then feeding the enemy laner. If you are going to even Irelia mid: at least build a decent build. Don't rush on a champ that has very little AP scalings and scales better with AS. I know a certain pro does rush it, but we all know Guinsoo's is on the nerf list, so its best to not rush something that will more than likely drop off her build once the nerf goes through.

I have seen people play Kayle for the first time and rush a item 3146 and fed hard. I don't mind you playing someone for the first time but learn when to give up and just play passive. If you realize that you can't win trades stop starting them and farm or hide. Don't feed people in a snowball meta.

DreadlocksDec 29, 20155 votes

I have 3 surprises for you xD

1: Irelia mid isnt bad or trolly 2: Rageblade is actually pretty damn good on her. 3. Rageblade isnt getting nerfed next patch :)

Milodic MellodiDec 29, 20151 votes

I have 3 surprises for you xD

1: Irelia mid isnt bad or trolly 2: Rageblade is actually pretty damn good on her. 3: Rageblade isnt getting nerfed next patch :)

He didn't say 'don't use the items', he said 'don't rush them'. There'a difference. He didn't say any of those things you said, actually, except for #3 which I find hard to believe it isn't getting nerfed anytime soon. While it's a terrible rush due to its recipe items' costs, it's a great Mid-Game/Late-Game Carry item. You wouldn't believe how terribly difficult a Tristana with Guinsoo's is to go against in a teamfight, especially with an item like Trinity Force. It's like summoner 13 for ADCs (like Ashe) and Hybrid champs (like Jax): it's unnecessarily strong for those that use it like it should be used, and just an added bonus to those that can't. Still, you might as well play Beginner Bots if you like the idea of rushing it first.

DreadlocksDec 29, 20154 votes

I think you should re-read what he posted... You will find that my 3 points are actually very accurate and relevant to what he said.

Saying that Irelia mid is considered trolly.. which it isn't.

There's a difference between learning a new champ and going mid of all places for the first time

If you are going to even Irelia mid: at least build a decent build. Don't rush on a champ that has very little AP scalings and scales better with AS.

Inferring that rage blade isn't a "decent build" and that rageblade doesnt offer attack speed. (oh and rushing rageblade is actually better than delaying it. JUST SAYIN MATE)

but we all know Guinsoo's is on the nerf list, so its best to not rush something that will more than likely drop off her build once the nerf goes through.

Again, no nerfs are on PBE so this is a poor assumption, and a weak reason to not build an item on current patches.

Does it make more sense now?

Milodic MellodiDec 29, 20151 votes

"going mid for the first time". That's exactly like saying "going or mid for the first time". Being inexperienced at playing a certain champ in a certain lane does that.
it does offer AS and it is a decent build. however, it's a truly terrible rush unless your Runes are pretty much centered around gaining gold and your opponent's feeding you to the point where it's GG already. Then sure, go right ahead and rush it. It wouldn't exactly be considered rushing in that case, though, but -sips tea-. Don't take this for granted, but the fact that it's a terrible rush item on , and GR is the holy grail for Trist players everywhere, means that it's...a kinda terrible rush item for other champs who aren't as suited as her or . I'm talking about rushing it — first thing, absolute priority MUST GET THIS ITEM ASAP rushing.
they technically already somewhat...slightly?...nerfed GR with the price increase, and RIOT did say they're seeing what GR is doing that's having people so salty, so I'd expect a nerf at a max of 6 months. MAX. Maybe. Or a year, if they focus on other things.

DreadlocksDec 29, 20151 votes

wow 6 months MAX..or maybe a year. Lol! nice man, as if that isnt a long time to be using an item that "may get nerfed" Bruh if you arnt rushing rageblade you probably shouldnt be building it at all, the only exception to this is if you are jungling. And i never even brough up Tristana so idk why you keep defending that part of your argument. I'm talking specifically about irelia. Irelia rushing Rageblade is a solid build.

Wonder around http://www.probuilds.net/guide/show/KR/2227536306/11943292 for a little bit. You can even search champions like Jax etc, who build rageblade. Rageblade FIRST is extremely good, Rageblade 2nd isnt horrible, and in the jungle its more common. Just stop pretending like you know wut ur talking about lol.

Milodic MellodiDec 29, 20151 votes

You'd be surprised how quickly 6 months goes by, mate, and Guinsoo's Rageblade is good enough of an item that you can build it 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd and it still has as much practical use. It's a terrible RUSH item, but it's by no means a terrible item. I brought up Tristana because her main attributes are her AS, AD, and AP (less so on AP, she's more of an AD Hypercarry but she's incredibly viable with Hybrid builds) — these attributes are what Guinsoo's Rageblade increase, so I find it easiest to compare with Tristana because it increases those areas she already has to such a huge level. I never said putting it on Irelia isn't a solid build, but it's a shitty, terrible, holy fuck why would you rush this when there are other items better to rush on her item to have first above all other items that would be better to have first on her. As I said, because the prices of Rageblade's recipe's lesser items is so much compared to other better rushable items (Blasting Wand is 850, Pickaxe is 875, and Guinsoo's itself combines them at 1075), I say that Guinsoo's Rageblade is a terrible rushing item unless your opponent's feeding or you can afford to have so little to work with Early Game until you can get up to the gold you need for it. Hell, this isn't even what the original topic was about. This was about how people can't practice new champions without their teammates raging, and Jefftiffy responded that "There's a difference between learning a new champ and going Irelia mid of all places for the first time rushing a Guinsoo's Rageblade." Apparently you've been up in Gold for so long (from what I saw of your profile) that you've forgotten that there are people who actually don't know how to play a character well enough to be able to play Irelia mid with Guinsoo's.

DreadlocksDec 29, 20151 votes

How can we discuss about trying new champions in normals when you dont even understand the game? Rushing guinisoos is fucking incredibly good. If it was so shit, i dont think Dyrus would be doing it mate.

Milodic MellodiDec 29, 20151 votes

Congrats, you know what a professional is capable of. Here's a slice of cake and a balloon, it's your birthday now. Professionals know each and every way to use the items they see worth using, otherwise they wouldn't be using them at all, and perhaps for a player like Dyrus it's much easier to be able to do so. Perhaps he knows each and every way Irelia can be used to the point where he doesn't need to use Starting Items other than a few potions (even against other professionals with as much proficiency with their champs), and is therefore much closer to getting Guinsoo's. I don't know, I don't watch his matches. The topic didn't start out as talking about professionals, though. It started out as talking about new players going into a place they don't know how to Lane in, with a champion they just started using, with an item that is a terrible rush item for a beginner. Perhaps it might not be a terrible rush for more professional players who actually know how to use it and not feed with it, but for a beginner you might as well AFK or quit because you'll just feed because you don't know how to use it and you wasted your gold.

DreadlocksDec 29, 20151 votes

So now your argument has shifted from guinsoos rageblade being a bad rush item, to its bad for begininers. Which is also false lol.. If you arnt going to build a champion properly. How are you going to learn the champion? Its like saying, i shouldnt build botrk on jax because that item is too hard to use for a beginner, instead i should just get bloodthirster and tank items and not have to worry about an active.

If you arn't going to use a good build on a champion, then you arnt effectively learning shit.

Milodic MellodiDec 29, 20151 votes

If you're a beginner, how would you know how to build a champion properly? As a beginner, the general thing to do (other than going PVP first thing and having your teammates rage because you fed so much) is to practice on Bots. Naturally, you should use easy-to-use and easy-to-know items on the Champs you use until you become proficient enough that you can tell what the Champion is capable of; then, it's off to get different, harder-to-use items. After you're proficient enough not to feed your lane, go into PVP and test yourself. If you still end up feeding, go back to bots again and practice more until you're sure you can do well enough. If not, and you end up doing well, play more PVP and find your own way of doing things against other players. If you become capable or self-assured enough you can build bork on Jax without doing badly with him, go right ahead and do so. Beginners are in that stage that they need to get used to thinking "hey, this item has an Active ability, I need to get used to it if I want to become really good at this item!" You should use BT and tank items until you get used enough to using the character and items that you can expand away from that. Even apart from all that, League of Legends is all about having fun. So you don't use a good build, oh well. You have fun, you learn what to and what not to do, okie dokie you're set to have a fun match. Most people don't start with a professional's mindset, and those that do start that way are more likely to uninstall because they feed and get angry about it. When you become a professional, you learn that playing certain builds can cost you your game and therefore the fun that you and your teammates could have...so you play the builds that win you games, or use the items you're most proficient with. It's common sense, mate.

DreadlocksDec 29, 20151 votes

And that is why you should not build rageblade on irelia mid when you are learning her for the first time. -Milodic Mellodi

Milodic MellodiDec 29, 20151 votes

Yes, that's what I've been saying. Thank you for pointing it out.

DreadlocksDec 29, 20151 votes

Good, now hopefully no1 will try to learn Irelia in the mid lane. Also, Glad we know you are 1 of those people who will flame sm1 for trying to learn a champion in normals.

Milodic MellodiDec 30, 20151 votes

@xApexPredator How did you get that out of what I said? Literally, I'm confused. I never said people shouldn't learn champions while in normals, I said they should take their champions to Bots first to avoid saltiness and feeding. It's generally a better idea, common sense-wise, to learn how to play vs something that doesn't vary in difficulty...this is a great environment to learn to play in for the first time. If you want to play it for the first time in normals, however, that's up to you and you can do what you want there. Just be prepared for people to be butthurt if you fail your lane. I have a feeling you're only coming onto this to try to troll me, I literally don't see why you think what you just said in that comment makes any sense whatsoever. So much goddamn hostility in this thread, you need to get off of League for a few minutes and do something like run outside and have an actual life. v

yukumariDec 29, 20152 votes

I mean that's kind of subjective with the Irelia Mid Guinsoos thing. Irelia mid is great. rage blade is great on her as well. Doing the two at the same time really depends on your match up. If its someone like diana, rageblade is fine. If its someone like ahri, who might make it difficult to get stacks, or extended trades, then sheen into trinity is a better option.

NarvuntienDec 29, 20153 votes

There is certain precautions you can take when playing a new champion and things you can do if you start to feed to mitigate the damage.. if you are learning a champion and you keep trying to 1v1 and losing then you aren't actually playing properly.

an option is to make a smurf account with only champions you don't have on your main account.

I had to do that to try to learn burisers since thier play style is jump in and hope to win.

DreadlocksDec 29, 20152 votes

Honestly man, you should be able to play w.e u want in normals as long as you arnt doing it in a trolly way. Just dont be so damn sensitive about it. If someone is mad you are failing in a normal game after telling them you are practicing/learning a new champ. Mute them.. Fuck'em, dont let them ruin your fun/experience. If you are doing it with a friend, it should be even easier. Laugh about it in a skype/curse call. "Look how mad this guy is in a normal game, hes playing his main in normals try-harding and still losing, then blames me" I mean thats probably something id say IN THE CALL. Idk man, alls im saying is, dont let sm1 drag u down you dont even know. Mute them and continue learning.

ModKnightsKemplarDec 29, 20151 votes

I recognize your sentiment. People rage too often.

But I also DO hate it when people take a champ they have never played before into a normals game. You should at least do a custom and familiarize yourself with their abilities if you want to play them in a game.

People play to compete. You have to understand that. Does that give them a right to rage? No. But I think it does give them a right to be quietly angry that someone is ruining their game by not preparing adequately to try a new champ. What I mean to say is, you are ruining their game if you do that.

I'm not sure how much prep you put into playing a new champ, but it shouldn't be none. I would expect to be raged at if you're taking a first time champ into a normals game, without knowing their skills or having any kind of itemization plan.

ScumbagZedDec 29, 20151 votes

I completely understand what you're saying, and I do prepare by knowing item paths and such. however, the first time you play champion in a 5 v 5 pvp match is completely different than any custom game, and it takes time to learn how to play the new champ. obviously game sense helps you, but learning how to hit abilities (or skillshots) and play patterns is not something you can pick up right away.

While there is always an expectation of people raging, I've learned just to mute people at the start of every game so you never even hear them complain!

ModKnightsKemplarDec 29, 20151 votes

That's a little different than my experience, then. Maybe I just play lots of easy champs, but I usually go into team builder and have a couple of REALLY good games on a new champ (because team builder is designed to recognize when you are playing something new and lower the difficulty of opponents as a result). That helps a lot.

Then, when I go into normals, I mostly know what's up and can pull my own weight somewhat.

bobbery5Dec 30, 20151 votes

Generally, if a person is trying a new champion or trying a slightly off-meta role, then I will defend the person, even if they do poorly overall. Trying new stuff and getting your skills up is what Normals is for. Do you know how many times I've been yelled at for playing Karma mid?

As long as you aren't being stupid and going AD Annie or still trying to convince me that Double Jungle is legitimate and not complete nonsense.

Maximum MordeDec 30, 20151 votes

Yeah, they got pretty pissed when I went 5th pick Annie ADC and rushed a revolver.

Your Real MomDec 30, 20151 votes

This is why I find that playing bot games actually helps. Just so you can mechanically get an understanding of the champion first and saving yourself embarrassment of being 'first game _____'. The toxicity in normal games is outrageous though, whether you're playing a new champ, an off meta pick, a champ that's rarely played, or even your main champions.