A question to all you Smurfs out there

Nepa·11/7/2016, 8:52:48 PM·8 votes·951 views

When you smurf from your main Elo to let's say Silver, what exactly do you punish that makes it sooo easy to just carry yourself? Like A challenger can get Powerful enough to 1v5 silver players but besides those mechanics why is it that easy? Like yeah farming, etc. But what are the 3 MAIN things you punish so perfectly that you never mess up in lower elo, and if you do make mistakes what are the 3 minor mistakes you do that don't really change the game.Zed

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Kirius Dark11/7/2016, 11:14:53 PM7 votes

IMO

ADC:

  1. Stutter step & kite - screws up their skillshots or autos. Autoing them then moving away while they're trying to auto you and get it cancelled will win you trades
  2. Able to poke when they try to CS while not losing CS yourself
  3. Able to dodge CC better, especially highly telegraphed ones from supports

Support:

  1. Actually poke and land abilities vs being a pylon leeching in lane. Be the initiator (make plays) rather than waiting on something bad to happen to bail the ADC out (vs just react to plays)
  2. Ward and clear wards; put deep wards in to track jungler
  3. Know when to roam and gank

Jungle:

  1. Counter jungle to screw up their farm and waste their time. Deep wards help a lot to predict where they want to go only to find an empty jungle or gank them in their own half
  2. More efficiency = faster clears, out farming and out level them and they cant duel you and their counterganks will end up being a double kill death. Low level junglers will focus hard on farming without a good path and taking away that farm hurts them a lot. Bad junglers will take alot of damage from monster camps and end up having to go back a lot or ganking with lower HP
  3. Contest neutral objectives

Mid/Top:

  1. Abuse power spikes in levels and abilities for unexpected kills. A lot of times I'll see some low elo level up then nothing changes, whereas better players will engage and level up during mid skirmish as planned to get a boost in power the other didnt expect
  2. Know when to shove lanes and when to go back. Bad players go back too often scared of dying or shopping at poor times to lose out on CS and valuable experience
  3. Always ward everywhere, help with deep wards to know where jungler is. If their jungler cannot gank you and you know you're better than the other mid laner you'll guaranteed your lane win.
Auroramancer11/8/2016, 3:12:21 AM3 votes

Been Diamond for the last 3 seasons. Here are the things I exploit in my opponents in order to help me climb:

  • Recognize when your opponent doesn't respect your kill potential on them. There are times when I am acutely aware of just how much damage I can deal to someone, and their hp bar is just BARELY under my damage threshold, I get this wicked grin on my face. They don't recall, they are acting like everything is okay, and then I pounce. Learn to recognize when your opponent is not respecting your kill potential on them, and go for it. Be mechanically good enough to capitalize on it, and work the situation to where their hp bar is in that sweet spot: low enough for you to actually kill them soon, but high enough for them to feel safe. Also, respect your opponent's own power to kill you.

  • Make non-meta champs your comfort champs. Everyone knows how to play against meta champs because they are in the majority of games. But if you learn how to play a non-meta champ, then the other team has probably had a lot less time playing against that champ and dealing with them. Every high elo game I've been in that has turned into a stomp, has been because someone was really fucking good at a non-meta champ and their skill was very unexpected, and things just got out of control.

  • Understand what your team needs from you. Your role designation does not determine where you should always be or always doing. If you're playing Malphite top, do your best to keep your Teleport for roaming instead of returning to lane. That means laning safely and keeping an eye on the map. If you're playing Thresh or Janna support, don't split push or go save a tower flooded by minions. Stay with your team and defer your power and safety to them. If you're playing mid lane and the enemy team has an aggressive jungler who can invade easily, watch the map and respond to help pings issued in your jungle immediately. Some people call this game awareness, the complement of game mechanics. Learn what you should be doing based on the circumstances of each individual game, and adapt. Don't fall into the rut of "I am 'x' role, and 'x' role always does this one thing". Take it case by case. For instance, I play support Lulu a lot. I usually build her supportive AP. However, there are those games where the enemy team is focusing me hard so that I can't keep helping my teammates, and a supportive AP build gets no mileage if I'm dead. In those games, I build her as a move speed tank. That way, when the enemy team focuses me, I last longer, I usually don't die, which means I can help my team while the enemy team tunnel visions me. It's not an optimal build for Lulu, but it's optimal for the game situation.

Weathered11/7/2016, 9:03:22 PM2 votes

CS, Wards, Map Awareness.

Farm better than their ADC and Mid combined and then just wait to pick out people you see making terrible decisions on the map. Most of the personally snowballing just comes from being able to easily outplay in lane and knowing lethal and ranges.

Mr Carbon11/7/2016, 9:09:53 PM2 votes

I'm Diamond 5, when I smurf into Silver or Gold... as a mid laner...

1.) Lane Pressure... I can out trade my laning opponent almost 100% of the time... I know my bounds and how my champion relates to theirs MUCH better. A favorable trade or 2 leads to the ability to either kill them 1v1 or shove the lane in and roam to another lane (typically bot) and kill them.

2.) Wards... Why can I simply just roam to another lane and kill them... They have no idea where I am... or I know where all of them are... OR... I have enough experience to have a very educated guess where their jungler might be on the map, given the time and lane positions.

3.) Rotations... I can see how the lane minions are interacting with each other and where our vision is... thus I can see that as we rotate to another lane we will either catch the other team rotating sloppily through the jungle and kill them... or take the tower for free because they don't react fast enough...

That's my experience in a nutshell.... Mechanics are there somewhere... but not as much as you think [slayer-jinx-catface]

You can pick my brain on my site.... http://leaguetales.com/

Besthunterjk11/7/2016, 10:38:40 PM1 votes

Knowledge is key

ROYALR3IGN11/7/2016, 9:41:03 PM1 votes

I'm only gold 5, but by far the biggest thing is map awareness. The more you have the more you'll be able to do for your team. if you notice enemy jg going top, ping your own jg to set up a 4 man gank bot, take tower, dragon, lower half of enemy jg and 2 kills. Noticing stuff like that can help your team a lot. This is considering that your lane opponent just backed or is dead. You can't just be pinging when they're missing. Its about recognizing windows of opportunity to help yourself and your team.

Zelorxon11/7/2016, 9:11:33 PM1 votes

Everything, basiclally until diamond 2 the real enemy is not the enemy team but your own team. (and yourself)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43IlSomhiC4

(also it's irritating and hilarious at the same time being trashtalked by a silver/gold/plat idiot that tries to insult you in a broken english or flames when you push his lane when it should be pushed)

DunkinNoobs11/8/2016, 4:17:46 AM1 votes

You guys open yourselves up to bad trades and all ins constantly during the laning phase. When I lane against a silver player, getting fed 1v1 is a matter of when, not if. You're going to give me openings and not realize until it's too late. One thing you also tend to do is force bad fights because you're bad at approximating how strong I am relative to you. I have tons of junglers gank me and give me free kills because they gank at awful times or wait to gank until I'm already too far ahead. And finally: you guys have awful objective focus. I get so many towers by simply pushing side lanes later on in the game and often get free inhib towers because no one on your team had the wherewithal to come and stop me.

zaire9011/8/2016, 3:22:10 PM1 votes

huh that was pretty smart to ask that gonna be taking alot of this advice to help me out

Kwon Ri Sae11/8/2016, 8:31:27 PM1 votes

Low Diamond here, so:

-Kill potential: I don't know why, but there is an absolute lack of respect whenever I lane. The enemy takes a bad trade, stays in lane, and then dies because they get in my range with health that's low enough to be taken out in one of my combos.

-Mechanics: For Silver/Gold specifically, mechanics such as laning, trading, and map awareness are much worse, and punishable. It may vary slightly from individual to individual, but are usually well below par for Diamond.

-Lack of knowledge: They don't track cooldowns, of either summoner spells or champion abilities. Nor do they know the range of abilities, and expected damage output, whether or not to go in and take the trade. Jungle pathing becomes mundane, as if they were following a set of instructions (clear Gromp/Krugs, clear buff, another camp, another buff, gank at 3:30 or so) rather than adjusting to the flow of the game.