What do junglers have against top lane that they'll blatantly ignore it to where it loses games?
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I've been playing more top because I can't just one trick jungle, and I've noticed that over a few weeks, almost a month, and I've noticed.... my allies hate top laners. They just flat out ignore the lane. While the enemy junglers don't. In fact, it mostly gets camped.
I've tracked about 55 games in the past month, give or take a week or two and a higher number, and it's actually phenomenal how little I get a gank, or repeated ganks if it works out one time. MAYBE 10% of the 55 ever show a jungler whiffing my side of the map beyond blue buff. 5-8 games? AT most? Really?
Now, here's the way we can put this on a curve so it doesn't sound utterly false:
-The jungler has to actually be in combat with the opposing laner while I'm in lane. Typical -There doesn't have to be a kill, but, lane pressure or enemy summoners should get used. Lane pressure can be defined as aid to the lane to make the opponent wary of engaging or playing aggressive. Blowing a summoner or chunking their HP are two examples any ELO can get behind here, however, you can make more subtle pressure plays using countervision and as such, that's more of a grey area. For now we leave it to just the first two.
- They should be at least noting "hey, rift herald sounds good at some point, I'll try topside gank to getting rift if the other lanes hold it down" in some way, because, at least to a majority of people, rift is a great way to snowball a lead, or get the top lane off the island and into the fray. (the third one is mostly a requirement but doing rift can also be distracting if the drakes are RNG'd in favor of prioritizing those)
Most of MY picks, I try to at least offer some gank assist. Some better than others at it, but nonetheless, SOMETHING to be like "hey, to make your job easier, here's THIS" so ganking's easier, because as we know, it's a carry jungler meta right now, and carry junglers mostly lack CC to initiate, and blowing their only gap closer can put them in a bad spot.
are my usual top laners (some more frequent than others).
While some of these champs can really do fine by themselves, ganks help. Even these champs who most of you guys hate, need a jungler's help if they lose. The whole "junglers aren't there to win lanes for you" argument is bullshit. I main jungle. I turn shit around, or, if I'm trying to really get, let's say, bot lane or mid lane ahead, that gives either of them free reign to roam topside and then rotate the top laner to bot to catch up on CS, or, gank. There is that grey area where they lose the lane for themselves, and yeah, I'm not saying gank an int feeder, but I am saying, before you leave them out to dry, don't just assume that shit.
It's great that most of those champs, are bruisers, some tanks, and a couple juggernauts. A lot of bitching has gone on about picks like those, and since I'm in the majority of the playerbase in elo (at least on other accounts), it's most likely they follow the bandwagon of hating top lane fighters. That begs a question - wouldn't you want this "OP" champ to win? so why don't they get ganks when I'm playing them?
Do people still think top laners don't make an impact? Or do they really not value the rift herald, or their (probably) only tank being a part of the game sooner than the other person's (again, maybe) tank? Even if it's someone like
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who is your top laner (again, these people are REALLY complained about. Especially jax. I don't even like jax's on my own team tbh), don't you think "hum, maybe I should give them the attention that I give them when I rage about them stomping my own games."
This all sounds like some hashinshin level bullshin (haHAA) but it's something I'm experiencing on both ends and I think, a shift in dynamic of lane priority will actually fucking fix a lot of the problems of playing the lane and the apathy towards it by high elo streamers (potential or famous)
tl;dr stop fucking ignoring top lane for fucks sake
as your top laner, ganking them early and getting the lane ahead can prove very beneficial for your team.
ahead just doesn't seem worth the effort to me.