Another Veigar thread: Riot Pls Respond (I write nicely)

pls no lolnexus·2/26/2015, 6:34:58 PM·4 votes·559 views

Hello everyone.

I've been playing veigar and mordekaiser for about 2 years on another account, before I got banned because of a bad decision of mine. Anyway, they were my favorite champions, and I understand the changes to mordekaiser. Morde probably needed a change anyway, but both of these champions are underplayed and still will remain underplayed. I think that the mordekaiser changes allow him to fit his image of being a living piece of metal, but the veigar changes are simply nerfing the core ability of a unique champion who has little else. Allow me to phrase my feelings of how veigar should be in the form of how a RIOT employe would say:

*The "instant" stun on veigar that lasted from 1-1.5 seconds was what made him Unhealthy and gave his enemies low CounterPlay. However, we looked into this issue and we found out that the stun was only instant once he placed it. We are looking into the cast time of the spell that is currently 0.5 seconds and realized that the 0.75 second actuation time after the ability was cast would make the whole ability take 1.25 seconds, making this skill Healthy for the enemy and giving him a whole lot of Counterplay. Afterwards we looked at how a Veigar player would feel if the enemy was given 0.5 seconds to walk away or towards Veigar and a 0.75 second warning of exactly where the spell will land, and realized that the person had about 1.25 seconds to engage or disengage from the veigar as soon as the player would want to stun them. We decided that this was too much ease for the 122 champions that either have mobility or CC out of the 123 champions (the other being mordekaiser). *

We are so sorry for all you Veigar players out there, so we tried to change the Q to a non targeted skillshot that hits 2 targets and his ultimate to a 1.0 ratio. Oh wait we were supposed to help improve Veigar because the removed core item of his (Deathfire's Grasp) is unhealthy, unbalanced, and has no-low counterplay(besides zhonyas). Oh no, the only thing that we did was give him a possibility to gain more ap from his q and we were supposed to help him with the loss of the DFG. The PBE changes report more ap gained from the new q, justifying the ratio nerf to his ultimate. Unfortunately his kit revolved around his E and that means that he can only reliable land his ultimate to damage an enemy champion.

*Well, the inability to land Veigar's E contributes to more danger when casting his lower ranged ultimate and q when the target is most likely not stunned. Not only that, but the inability to land Veigar's E hurts Veigar's damage output from his w as well as his survivability in lane when he has less than 250 ap when he just starts out. We are so sorry everyone that plays Veigar, our changes made veigar into an Unhealthy, Unbalanced, high Counterplay champion because we tried to make him better after the DFG removal. *

Pick your ending:

Well, at least no one plays veigar right? I guess that won't destroy our LCS ratings or give us very little Big Plays that we can post on the LoL launcher. Yea, maybe the players that liked to pick veigar will think that veigar is trash and then everyone will forget about him, just like Urgot or Kennen...

We decided to revert the changes in Patch 5.5 and we will think about how we can change Veigar by keeping these changes live on PBE and listening to all the hate from that server about how we changed an old underplayed champion that many people like to play. One day we will change veigar once we have all our chickens hatched and we will never throw an idea that is not completely thought out in the perspective of the player and the enemy ever again.

Well, there you go. I tried to be as nice as possible and speak in the Rito language that I have came used to hearing. Please respond to me if you can understand my post fully and please do not spread the hate to this thread. I didn't even go into the whole "veigar has no escape" because every game is different and a good player needs only his pathing to escape. Veigar is not ruined, but he is severely crippled to anyone who does not already know how to play him like I and many other people do. If you can't respond to anything I wrote about this, humor me with this: why did you change a champion that has not been played in the lcs or by normal players as much as pretty much every other champion in the game? Will you nerf ap gangplank because of the DFG removal patch next? Is my AP poppy safe to not be changed in patch 5.5?]

Thanks, Pls No Lolnexus.summoner 4

2 Comments

Axiomatikos2/26/2015, 8:08:37 PM1 votes

Literally the same thoughts here.

I have played Veigar since season 2, and the changes to his stun make him absolutely useless unless you are playing against Karthus, and no one plays Karthus anymore.

I actually like the modified Q, but the Primordial Burst and Event Horizon changes are absolutely atrocious.

pls no lolnexus2/26/2015, 8:18:14 PM1 votes

I hope how they understand why I used their words and why they don't make a lot of sense when applied from the player's point of view.