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Does Fiora's kit have too much?

Mishli·10/14/2016, 10:13:50 PM·8 votes·1,367 views

Tl/dr: not a "plz ner fiora" rant, but would like to see some of her hidden power moved to be more obvious in the kit.

As a top lane main, Fiora is one of the matchups i dread the most, only second to Darius as her ult doesn't have nigh 100% uptime.

The reason being: Fiora's kit has so many things you don't realize that it makes it very difficult to actually properly play against/around.

her passive does : hp true damage, gives her a flat heal and a movespeed boost. her q is the shortest cooldown dash in the game as long as she hits something. (not including yasuo as his has no cooldown at all on different targets) her w makes her invulnerable, slows attack speed, can proc her passive, and doesn't even lock her in place, as she can q mid w her e is an auto attack reset, slow, and auto crit her ult does massive % hp true damage and aoe heal, that also scales with ad.

Without going into a long winded rant. I would love to see some of fiora's power moved around, even if that means her passive does more damage, could we remove the heal? few things are more frustrating than managing to win in a trade, then she just pokes you out with her q and heals back up, suddenly earning back the advantage you've won.

Even if her w gives .25 seconds longer invulnerability, could she not q in the middle of it? Could it not slow attack speed? if you managed to bait out the ability and not have her block anything, should she still be able to win a fight because she still can attack faster than you?

Even if her q gets shorter base cooldown, could it not reset upon hitting a minion? This makes it feel very depressing, you manage to position yourself to dodge, but she just autotargets a minion and the ability is pratically off cooldown already, so there's no feeling of reward for dodging it.

even if the crit on her E does more damage, could she not get the auto attack reset or movespeed slow? that way you have more options to respond to her aggression or aren't completely helpless to reposition during that instant.

Disclaimer: Sorry this isn't all fancy and long winded, but i didn't feel like going into lots of detail, since people usually don't bother to read that. And again, i'm completely ok with fiora getting some buffs to compensate a loss in power elsewhere, I would just like to see her kit not have so much utility and reward her for good play while also punishing her for screwing up more.

38 Comments

Irelia Bot10/14/2016, 10:18:10 PM5 votes

I don't think it is really anything to be called over loaded.

I mean it is not Yasuo or Tahm

Cremepie10/14/2016, 10:28:37 PM5 votes

I think the W nerf put her in an acceptable place. 22 second cool down is painful. As for the fact her ulti does Insane damage is cool but she has to build full damage to do so, meaning she cant really effectively team fight anymore as a "dueeeeeeeeeeeeelist". I would be ok with removing the attackspeed slow as she doesnt really need it, but the very tiny heal on passive is necessary for her to stay in lane against bad match ups early.

Besthunterjk10/14/2016, 10:15:23 PM3 votes

Of course she has to much, people hate her for a reason

OurLestrade10/14/2016, 10:17:09 PM3 votes

Fundamental issue with her is the % true damage.

AgeOfTheMage10/14/2016, 10:32:19 PM3 votes

personally i like where she is, she has great outplay potential, and she does have a lot of utility as well as damage, but she can be squishy, and i the fio player sucks..

The Sword Saint10/17/2016, 3:36:35 PM2 votes

Disagree on basically all counts, but that's to be expected I guess since by playing fiora a lot I'm a lot more familiar with her strengths and weaknesses and lane matchups than you.

Btw stop saying she can q mid w, she can't. What she can do is q and mid dash cast w, but this is a very risky advanced mechanic that gambles your only defense on an offensive maneuver where you try to dash into cc for the sake of redirecting the stun to someone else. It can very very easily go wrong and even if it goes right you'll have blown your defensive tool and be vulnerable to retaliation.

Vhan876510/14/2016, 10:19:27 PM2 votes

I mean, when we have this shit; Kled Fio doesn't seem that bad.

Ok sure but why10/14/2016, 10:21:29 PM2 votes

two slows, a stun, tons of dashes, % max health and a potential massive heal for ulting the support before she dies

CerealBoxOfDoom10/17/2016, 7:05:52 AM1 votes

fiora's kit does have "too much" by some standard but really she is an experimental thing and does actually have ok counterplay in most cases

She is another overloaded melee champ but melee champs are the underdogs in this game. So the answer is yes she does and no it doesn't really matter that much, at least not in terms of balance

EminenceVoid10/17/2016, 6:55:03 AM1 votes

What champions are you playing against Fiora?

Fiora has a hard time witn a number of champions, especially those with a nearly instant stun ( Pantheon Irelia ) or those with very low knock ups ( Darius Jayce ).

Also the invulnerability isn't a huge issue if she lands her W's stun, keyword, "IF". Cause she can block it and not land the stun and if shes doing that, shes probably trying to run away, and if that's the case you are trying to catch up to her and by then the invulnerability is not an issue.

I have yet to witness a Fiora Q mid W. What you are seeing is the result of a fiora SMASHING her Q to hit a vital as soon as the animation is over.

{quoted} Even if her q gets shorter base cooldown, could it not reset upon hitting a minion? This makes it feel very depressing, you manage to position yourself to dodge, but she just autotargets a minion and the ability is pratically off cooldown already, so there's no feeling of reward for dodging it.

I wouldnt suggest this at all. Fiora's Q cooldown is lower than the time it takes for a vital to appear. This is why you see Fiora's save their Q's for vitals. If it were lower, she would be able to spam it against you and have it back up to proc a vital.

I honestly think shes in a good spot atm. I dont know, maybe you are right and she does need a few touch ups. The old Fiora was cancer and im glad for the mechanical needs to really excel in lane with this Fiora

ZT Xperimentor10/17/2016, 4:26:28 AM1 votes

I'd say her ultimate is noticeably overloaded but more out of place than anything; having a better heal than janna which cannot be interrupted once started, while dealing more true damage than a fed vayne. However having spam-able mobility & Max health True damage that scales off of her attack damage, ontop of having the ability to outright negate any ability against her; makes her a chore to solo with most any champion.

WoonStruck10/17/2016, 6:58:24 AM1 votes

Yes, an attackspeed slow she gets for fucking up her riposte.

That's about it though.