Senna needs nerfs

OneMustFall·11/23/2019, 4:56:29 AM·63 votes·23,571 views

So as the smoke is clearing on her release, we can see that Senna is clearly dominating bot lane right now in both the ADC and Support positions. Part of the problem is her innate power so she doesn't even need gold to completely roll people. In a lot of games I've played she even outclasses the ADC in the lane with her and winds up becoming the carry. I'm surprised there hasn't been a lot of discussion about her because she's nearing a 54% win rate as AD and she's a new release. I was expecting Riot to nerf her mid patch but nothing so far.

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Anime Fizz11/23/2019, 6:01:16 PM19 votes

The problem with her is that shes a infinitely scaling champ that starts with 600 range.

She needs to start with like 525 range so shes actually vulnerable in lane, like every other infinite scaling champ.

ProfDrDeath11/23/2019, 3:13:09 PM17 votes

Senna, first and foremost, needs her training wheels sawed off. Lower her MS to 325 (like the other long-ranged ADCs), lower her starting range to 550, then evaluate from there.

Mr Sa1nt11/23/2019, 7:25:45 AM14 votes

I don't understand how/why Riot seems to think Senna is balanced. She has more abilities in her kit than most champions ever have.

AoE root with huge range, and a nice hitbox. AoE move speed buff for her team, that also makes them somewhat untargetable. She has a Q that can target basically anything, and the fact that it can even damage towers is ridiculous. She has a global shield(on a relatively short cd for a global ability btw), that has probably the fattest hitbox of any ability(although the damage portion is small). On top of that, she heals.

Her kit is so overloaded, it doesn't have any one specific use...as most other champions do. Her kit is illogical for that reason. Not to mention, ok so she gets range from her passive...whatever...why does she get crit chance too? Why is it that just her passive alone, has about 3 different things happening in it.

There's so much going on in her kit, that when you hover over the spells with the mouse...I doubt it even shows the majority of what's going on.

I don't even care that her damage is big or that she gets to have a ton of range...that's called having a unique kit. But when they give her every possible tool in the game, plus getting multi tools between her passive, Q, and R, it's just absolutely bonkers. The champion isn't the most busted that's ever existed, but it might be one of the worst designed ones, in my opinion.

5050BS11/23/2019, 5:33:53 PM11 votes

Infinite stacking who would have thought would be OP

Chainman311/23/2019, 5:25:42 AM11 votes

I mean i did call she was overtuned with FAR too much power/utility in her kit before her release. Yet some people on here just downvote say shes weak in lane (keep in mind they never even laned against a player who knew how to play the champion considering the champion was only out on pbe). And now we're back to talking about her needing nerfs and people are upvoting it now. Oddly enough players cant see what needs a nerf just by looking at the kit but when winrate is shown to be high, yep its a done deal time to drop the nerf on her head. So if her winrate wasnt as high as it is can anyone argue that senna is balanced?

SiG DxD11/23/2019, 5:31:15 PM9 votes

broken op and needs nerf to range /dmg at least and a chance to be able to dodge the ultimate like who even thought making the ult global was a good idea ?

Yenn11/23/2019, 5:27:44 AM7 votes

She's almost at 60% win rate and 6% pick rate in NA, as ADC. Low tier servers are bringing her global win rate down. This should be hotfix worthy.

Krys Star11/24/2019, 4:37:01 PM5 votes

I think her problem is, she's loaded with too much damage on top of the utility she provides as a support. She's a support first and foremost, and Riot needs to shave off some damage from her kit. If she proves to be too weak, then put some power into her supporting prowess. It's bad when Riot didn't want supports playing in other roles effectively, doing damage and providing utility, and yet that's what Senna is doing.

Riot keeps going back on their word about too many things lately. Enchanters lacking interaction (Yuumi), especially.

NaughtyWord11/23/2019, 8:20:22 AM5 votes

I just came here to vote OP up.

Carry on Ladies, Gentlemen, und everyone betwixt.

Power Cosmic11/23/2019, 7:24:50 PM4 votes

Senna represents a lot of what is wrong with the game. They want everyone to be able to carry, even those who don't have gold priority. So if marksmen end up as carrying less, well at least their is a support that can adc without gold...

TonyTonyMordecai11/23/2019, 9:11:23 PM3 votes

Her damage needs to be nerfed, and her actual support qualities need to be improved. Her passive damage is fine as poke, since she only has one poking main ability (besides her autos). It's once she starts getting lethality and range when she becomes hard to deal with, coupled with her heal. I'm sure they could lower the base value but up the AP scaling to make it a clearer divide between being a damage role and an enchanter role.

Bisaknosp11/24/2019, 12:49:43 AM3 votes

a lot of champs need nerfs atm too but riot doesnt give a shit because at the end of the day they can do whatever they want and ppl are still gonna play their game

they are just gonna keep all champs that sell a lot of skins strong and shit on everything that doesnt lee for example is clearly broken at the moment but hes getting a prestige skin so he will not get nerfed this year

Fuhrer Usagi11/24/2019, 9:07:39 AM3 votes

I just had a game against her. Me and Cait stomped the lane got 6 kills before lvl 6 and was feeling good. Then the support senna with just an IE took half my hp on leona with a AAQAA combo that only took a second at most. It just got worse from there by 20 or minutes she was almost 2 shotting the ADC even though cait was fed and senna was both the support and behind on a losing lane. Her range got longer and longer that I simply couldn't try to go near her unless I was willing to potentially die to let my team kill her. This was DH senna btw.

Senna when she had 3 completed items had over 400 AD. We won the game but it only happened because senna's whole team was bad and I kept sacrificing myself to let the yasuo take all senna's shutdowns.

To be honest, what needs to be nerfed is her Q damage and her ghost spawn rate. She should not be getting so many ghosts from attacking players. And her Q just does too much damage since you can chain it into a AAQAA like leona. The Q needs to have its initial damage lowered and she needs to have either her base damage lowered or for the ghosts to both spawn less and to not get any from simply AA a champion.

Another option as well. Don't let her use Dark harvest. It works too well on her once she starts scaling. Just like cosmic insight ult hunter 4 cloud dragons it simply was not made for the intention to be abused that hard. And Senna with her infinite scaling and long range and quick burst can abuse it massively.

Ηuawei11/24/2019, 1:33:51 AM2 votes

As someone who likes and plays Senna i will agree on nerfs. If you don't play an all-in support like Leona you're going to lose botlane.

She's definetetly on the stronger side of things.

I didn't used to think of her as a problem but now that there's support items tailored exactly for her and stuff like sanguine blade

Wild Geese11/23/2019, 10:35:56 PM2 votes

I made a big post about her not needing infinite stacking range and got like 20 down votes so I deleted it. People get extremely defensive of new characters, idk why - better they don't have to be gutted quickly.

Argent Wolf11/23/2019, 8:17:17 PM2 votes

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So as the smoke is clearing on her release, we can see that Senna is clearly dominating bot lane right now in both the ADC and Support positions. Part of the problem is her innate power so she doesn't even need gold to completely roll people. In a lot of games I've played she even outclasses the ADC in the lane with her and winds up becoming the carry. I'm surprised there hasn't been a lot of discussion about her because she's nearing a 54% win rate as AD and she's a new release. I was expecting Riot to nerf her mid patch but nothing so far.

She's doing better as ADC because of her weaknesses. Having someone else protect her helps her reach her potential. Personally though, I didn't like playing her as ADC compared to other ADC champs. She's going to get some tuning, either way. They can't allow a champ to have a higher banrate that Yasuo.

muteallpce11/24/2019, 4:34:19 AM2 votes

Another CertainlyT special.