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What exactly does Riot want Evelynn to do?

HumanPerfect·11/29/2014, 5:53:00 AM·24 votes·8,070 views

Right now Evelynn's high base damage means she can go tanky while still blowing people up, so we're hoping she'll think more about her priorities with these changes. Basically if Evelynn wants to kill things quickly, she'll need to build offensively for it - if she wants to tank it out in the middle of fight, she'll have to itemize for that. Also, we know Evelynn's arguably not a fighter, but we put her here for the sake of better organization (nyah).

^From her last set of Olaf-esque nerfs ( http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-413-notes )

Very well, I suppose Riot's accomplished their goals with her last set of nerfs; you either have to build straight glass cannon to be a threat or straight tank to be around in a team fight.

The problem is that they took away her ability to assassinate a long, long time ago and unlike assassins such as Kha'zix or Zed, she has no "get out of jail" card. If Evelynn builds glass cannon and goes into a team fight, she will get evaporated (without the killing power of other melee assassins).

So she builds tanky... Great, now what? She has no form of CC besides the AOE slow, which is a one-shot type thing and doesn't require her to be in the thick to use anyways. So what reason is there for her to be tanky? All she will do in teamfights is ult for the shield and slow and then proceed to attempt to tickle the enemy team to death; hardly giving the enemy team any reason whatsoever to even glance at Eve, let alone try to bust through her shield and take her down.

I'm just confused as to what the end-goal is here. I realize that Riot has a vendetta out for "bruiser" junglers who offer a decent amount of tankiness and damage, I'm just not sure if they see the fallacy of building straight tanky on a champ that offers nothing besides damage and ONE minor CC (slow, which is more of a side-effect of the use of the ult, not generally the reason why you ult) or building glass cannon on a melee champ with no form of escape and no way to really "assassinate".

As it stands now, Evelynn has the 4th lowest win rate in the game (lower than Urgot and Olaf for anyone curious). She has been, historically, one the least mechanical-intensive champions. If a semi-perma stealth champion with a kit as simple as Evelynn's has a 43.37% winrate I can't help but feel it's not just a case of a high-skill cap champ, not just a case of a knee-jerk set of nerfs, but a problem with design philosophy overall; that is the, "either-or" reasoning; You either can do a lot of damage or you can be tanky. I really think this needs to be re-evaluated in regards to champions who have little to no CC or assassination power or escapes.

98 Comments

Rebonack11/29/2014, 6:22:15 AM14 votes

As I say in every single one of these topics, as long as Eve has burst out of stealth and the ability to bypass wards her kit is going to be watered down and awful.

Riot needs to give her a totally new Innate (I would love to see the passive portion of her old Ult come back) and then stick three seconds of stealth on her W. Potentially give her a new Ult as well. That would open up a HUGE amount of kit power to make her a healthy, functional champion.

I still think of Eve as what she was before her remake, a Skirmisher. A deceptively tanky champion that moves in and out of combat rather than an all-in sorta tanky champion like Mundo, Nasus, or Shyvana. She shouldn't be a stealth Assassin. Look at what happened to Deathfire Eve. Look at what happened to Knifecat. That kind of play is awful to be up against. Making her focus on sustained damage is a far far healthier play pattern. That's what she did before her remake, and that's what she should do once she gets remade again.

I'm still holding out hope for a good Eve remake. I've been waiting for one since she was buried in the Yorick patch.

Saevum11/29/2014, 8:10:06 AM10 votes

Thread smells like: 'Hey, Rito heard Cassio-mains about the changes to Cassiopeia, let's try Evelynn too'. Im not against it, (i dont play Evelynn) but i know how it feels when your favorite champs gets rekt. Good luck in getting a response Evelynn-main-ppl.

DynamiteGazelle11/29/2014, 9:59:50 AM6 votes

I think they just need to change her description from 'assassin' to 'fighter'. I personally don't much care for the assassin type gameplay, and her skills don't really support the idea of being an assassin anyways. If they wanted her to be an assassin the passive would have to go, but that's the most interesting part of playing Evelynn in the first place so I'm against removing it.

The key to playing Evelynn is to remember that she isn't designed to 1v1 faceroll, or even hard engage at all. She's 100% a ganker, and she relies on her teammates to be effective. You can't underestimate how strong the element of surprise is when you suddenly pop into a lane. It throws the enemies' positioning totally off which leads to kills for your teammates and getting them fed. If you're taking all of the kills as an Evelynn then you're doing it wrong.

That's why her numbers can't be as strong as other champions. But even if her kit is half as strong as others, 2.5>2 and that's enough to get your adc fed and over the top. Plus, her stealth and build in speed let's you get off more ganks than most other junglers could.

Long story short, Evelynn is a champion who is all about making strategic decisions and getting your team rolling. If you try to solo, then ya ur prolly gunna get your a$$ handed to you. But she has different strengths and weaknesses than other champions, and that's a great thing for diversity.

Evelynn (Eve main btw)

Kawaiian Pizzas11/29/2014, 7:17:07 PM6 votes

stop with the pictures, i can only get so hard

Solidair311/29/2014, 3:17:11 PM5 votes

Does anyone remember mid lane Eve? crazy times

Rebonack11/29/2014, 7:15:06 AM4 votes

Except she doesn't HAVE burst.

She does.

...sort of.

Riot just neutered it.

Eve shouldn't have more than one nuke. She should have Ravage and that's it. Everything else should be focused around sustained damage or utility. Because when Eve has more than one nuke, well. We all know what happened.

disregardable11/29/2014, 6:05:47 AM4 votes

It appears that attaching an irrelevant, sexual fan art of Ev DID get more views for your post! Well done!

doubleguac11/29/2014, 5:01:59 PM3 votes

As far as I can tell, her kit is pretty much impossible to fix until either her stealth or pink wards get reworked.

Back in S1, Eve received arguably the most brutal nerf in LoL history. Until her rework, she was so bad that even Riot employees were telling people she was a troll pick that you shouldn't use in ranked. She was over-nerfed because her old stealth mechanics were hard to deal with, forcing players to play passive and hug their turret early on because they couldn't predict where she would be.

Her kit does the same thing now. Pink wards are expensive as hell, and incredibly hard to defend unless you're absolutely dominating your lane. Plus, even if you pink ward a river, Eve can usually just waltz down the middle of the lane. She's incredibly difficult and expensive to ward against, so she basically forces players to play passive and hug their turret for the entire laning phase. So she's gotten smacked down with massive nerfs again.

Until it's practical to ward against her, she can't have a strong kit.

Leblancs Boob11/29/2014, 6:59:53 AM3 votes

She CANT be an assassin with her passive the way it is.. Put some kind of limit to her passive and then that opens up room to buff her in other ways. But as long as Eve's passive allows her to defy almost the entire vision system she's going to be terrible in every other way

Darth Pixy Misa11/30/2014, 2:07:11 AM3 votes

People label Eve as toxic, please explain this. Eve runs up to the champ, becomes visable at 700, and uses E. She gets the 2 hits from E then a AS boost and she gets 1 aa in before a ADC hits her twice crits and kills her(she might get 1 Q in this span).

Kowe The Ewok12/3/2014, 3:37:45 PM2 votes

The whole rework was a failure ever since it was released. They should simply have changed her stealth to the new one and leave her be. I don't understand where the idea of suddenly making an assasin a tank came from anyways.

Rebonack11/29/2014, 4:13:03 PM2 votes

Perma stealth was an interesting mechanic when Eve could stalk her target near-indefinitely and set up perfect ganks with her team. The stealth she has right now amounts to 'lolgreenwards' and a gimped gap-closer. Junglers with real gap closers can just charge a target and then use their leap when the poor bastard tries to flash away. Eve doesn't have that option. Once someone is out of range she's done.

Perma-stealth is bad for the game. It's the reason why Eve is as awful as she is right now because Riot is unable to balance it for League. A three second stealth on her W would be far easier to balance around. Just remember to pick up sweeper and pop the enemy ward in their brush and then come back thirty seconds later like everyone else does. It isn't hard.

Oh!

And here's a fun fact, another example of just how much Riot destroyed old Eve.

Her Q? It used to be able to detect invisible units, wards included. If you were near a ward it would light up, informing you that you were standing on top of one. Honestly at this point I suspect that Eve'd Eve is more powerful than the Eve we have right now. At least she had pre-six CC.

Crimbop12/2/2014, 12:38:52 PM2 votes

She's definitely had all of her assassin kit taken away from her, and as much as I'd love some of that back I'd settle for her being viable in the new Jungle. I was really looking forward to the new Jungle but as an Eve main I find it's impossible to keep up with the meta junglers.

Mirage Night11/30/2014, 1:22:51 AM1 votes

I really think a rework will be inevitable due to the extensive Thematic Overhaul she will be receiving. I really doubt that they will be leaving her kit as it all the while trying to change her theme.

Rebonack11/29/2014, 5:12:55 PM1 votes

Now you see, I was an Eve main for quite some time before the rework, and for a while after, and I think of her as exactly the opposite. To me, she was definitively a 1v1 assassin.

She didn't have an Assassin kit, though. She was, if anything, an AP (or AD) Fighter that could be built glass just like any Fighter can. The closest thing Eve had to a focus-break was running away and hoping her stealth would come off cooldown before she died. And if you don't have some form of focus-break then you aren't an Assassin. For context, Zed's shadow swapping, Akali's shroud, and Fizz' invulnerability are all focus-break mechanics, things that allow them to mitigate or avoid enemy damage.

's why I want to see Eve's passive stealth gone and active stealth added to her W. That would give her a reliable focus-break with very clear counter-play. Swapping over to active, low duration stealth would allow the rest of her kit to be buffed tremendously and would open up the option to actually play her as an Assassin, albeit a sustained-damage focused one.

chumbler11/29/2014, 8:47:48 AM1 votes

In all honesty she needs to lose both her ult and Q. Neither skill makes any sense on her.

Hayaishi11/29/2014, 6:28:21 PM1 votes

Eve is toxic by design, i don't blame Riot for not having her be relevant, let's be honest, she's pretty much cancer whenever viable.