As a toplane main I get sick whenever I see people complain about the winrate of tanks

TEA Nietzsche ·4/19/2018, 11:44:21 PM·4 votes·1,742 views

I just had yet again this tiresome discussion: someone claimed that tanks are bad right now and tried to prove it by pointing at winrates.

And it appears to be true, many tanks are hovering just around 50% with only few exceptions, some even far below that. As many people here try to argue with statistics like this I am going to adress why this argument frustrates me so much.

Let's take a look at Poppy (46% winrate) and compare her to Riven (49% winrate). Looks like Poppy is doing really badly while Riven is doing sort of fine, right? Many people would even argue that RIven is even stronger because Riven has a 9% pickrate while Poppy has only 3%.

And here is why all that is wrong: it's the winrate/games played statistic. The reason why people think that pickrate is meaningful is because they believe that it indicates that the players are casual FOTM players who do not main the champion and thus are worse. However, that thinking is fallacious as the winrate/ranked games played statistic proves.

Poppy has a better winrate than Riven regardless of the level of experience. In fact, Poppy players with 30 games on her do better than the most experienced players. That just proves what we should know intuitively: tank players are in average just have way less experience than carry players and thus should perform worse.

I believe that this has two reasons 1: autofilled players tend to pick safe tanks and toplane is prone to having autofilled players as the role got increasingly unpopular 2: people do not really tend to main tanks as flashy carries are just more attractive to binge play.

tl;dr: taking into account their experience with the champion people who play tanks perform exceptionally well. The average tank player having way less experience than the average carry player leads to missleading winrates.

18 Comments

ZT Xperimentor4/20/2018, 12:36:07 AM2 votes

Pretty good analysis, though I'd add that the rare off-meta tops such as mages and marksmen tend to skew the line-up a bit as they're often mains to such a champion.

Automated Riven4/20/2018, 12:42:51 AM2 votes

9% pick rate on riven is super low too. That means it's pretty much just die hard mains playing her and averaging 49% winrates. Considering last year her playrate was 13% at the point where she was the weakest. On Reddit riven mains there are a few of them that refuse to even play her ATM.

Percentages5/17/2018, 6:12:27 PM1 votes

On the riven v. Poppy thing you’re literally talking about 3%...

Kilanost5/18/2018, 1:04:16 AM1 votes

Your analysis leaves out the general benefit of actually having a tank on a team against an enemy team full of squishy champs. That prob has a lot to do with tank win rates but has nothing to do with tanks themselves. It's a function of having a good team composition. Being angry about tank strength in the meta with the good team comp factor being a major part of their success would be like being in a meta where 90% of mid laners are picking AD champs and saying "OMG mages are busted, their win rates are so high" when in reality they're not necessarily strong, they just provide a better damage composition than a full ad team.