Oracles in aram is unfair.

myfithaccount·May 4, 2017·4 votes·1,392 views

Most champs in aram like teemo, nidalee, shaco, jhin use invisible traps to do damage, but in aram if someone spends 300 gold they get 5 minutes to have full sight of these traps. In game this makes gameplay 10 times harder, and can nearly ruin a build your running, making you have to sell your items from ap to ad shaco, or can destroy your kit and most of your damage in general. Getting oracles makes gameplay less fun, and puts teams with no traps at a huge advantage. I believe that oracles should be removed from aram which will bring balance to champs with stealthed traps.

11 Comments

UnboundHadesMay 4, 20173 votes

until you understand that its a single lane map and trap champions can put them in any spot they want if oracles didn't exist they would become way more annoying to play against since you cant just kill the 7 boxes waiting for you or shrooms on health pack amd wtf do you mean nid and jhin rely on traps??????????

myfithaccountMay 9, 20171 votes

Jhin and nid dont rely on traps. Jhin's trap provides a slow for his w and when stacked does outstanding damage. The main points are teemo and shaco. I just played a game today and we were winning till the moment 3 of them got oracles. No longer could I do damage as teemo with shrooms, and it ruined the build I was using. I now report anyone even on my team for use of oracles because it cuts teemo and shaco's kits in half putting their team at a huge disadvantage. In game I said "lee sin plz dont use q while you use oracles so you feel how its like" he then said "How will I do damage then it puts us at a disadvantage" and I said "how do you think I feel". Point rest and case champs jhin shaco and teemo's traps along with teemo's passive are ruined from oracles and make them 10 times harder to play. Sure they are annoying, but in a 5v5 it's the best they can do without dying trying to engage with q.

Baka RedMay 9, 20171 votes

"I just played a game today and we were winning till the moment 3 of them got oracles. "

That could also be said like "My build was ruining the game of their whole team, until they bought oracles." Even though it is unfortunate for all the Teemos and Shacos out there, but I think it is very fair to have a way to detect those poisonous mushrooms and scary boxes. I have smelled more than enough of mushrooms even with oracles in the team, and gotten scared to death by those boxes. I have even walked on them when I am the one with Oracle; you don't always have the time to clean them out before moving forward after all. A detection method/counterplay is a necessary part of Howling Abyss; currently that is Oracle.

That reporting you do for oracle use sounds very Teemo-mushroom-like to me. I would not do that. :(

I don't play Teemo myself, but I love Jhin. For some reason I don't worry about Oracles when I play him though. I guess it is mostly because his lotus traps are much easier to disarm than Teemo's mushrooms - they don't even require Oracles. They are very different compared to the mushrooms and boxes. Jhin traps are not a good case for your anti-oracle selling speech.

Oh, and the rare case when I play Shaco, I go for AD Bruiser build. On him I use the boxes for peeling (They do CC, but practically no damage), so I guess that is why I haven't seen enemy using Oracles on my Shaco matches. I sometimes buy Oracle against AP Shacos though. I pretty much always buy it against Teemo. Those things are too poisonous to feel safe to walk without that Oracle eye. I repeat: Counterplay against them is necessary.

myfithaccountMay 11, 20171 votes

as I've said before they dont rely on them I said cait and jhin use traps to deal bonus damage. Jhin shaco and teemo might not be based on traps but for all teemo mains out there oracles is 10* as annoying then shrooms boxes and jhin traps are. Sure you get damage and a slow or taunt but at least you arent ruining a kit. If you think that 5 players vs 4 random and a teemo and all get oracles and use it perfectly. Teemo's passive and ult would be obselete and the traps damage dont stack just keep reapplying the duration. Shaco's traps cant stack at all and cant be placed where more then 2 go off at once. The thing is is that you guys arent maining these champs you just go on here to tell people who know more than you that they're wrong. Sure its a single lane, but in units a teemo can onlyplace 10 shrooms max. I think it should become a trinket that doesnt ruin teemo's passive. Lets say start of game you get a biscuit for the poro's once you use them you get an oracles. When you use that you dont get one till you destroy another turret and use that biscuit. Essentially you get it based on skill not gold. Lets please make it not reveal invisible units either. I hate being shaco and I cant q, ult, or place w's because of fking trinked. My day gets ruined. Just nerf it to traps and make it scarce. It would make the game better.

Baka RedMay 12, 20171 votes

If 4 or 5 of the enemy use Oracles, that is 1200-1500 gold out of their team gold. Teemo is clearly doing more than his part in this scenario.

It sounds like you would like to allow the scenario in which hiding Teemo can only be found by spamming enough skill shots to get the flicker appear. I don't think you are being fair to the enemy squishies out there. That scenario allows Teemo to force enemy to either spam skill shots/waste mana until they think it is safe to move on or allow Teemo to assassinate one or two of them with his blinding shot and mushroom grenades. I think you are not thinking fairly here. You appear to favor Teemo too much to me. I have seen Teemo's to succeed with the oracles in play. He definitely does not need to be immune to oracle vision. If you cannot see it, Teemo has blinded you too.

Homer SexualMay 19, 20171 votes

Until you understand that having a 300g item that makes shaco boxes and teemo shrooms useless (Basically what their kit relies on) for 5 minutes is unfair just gtfo

ErockandrollMay 19, 20171 votes

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Until you understand that having a 300g item that makes shaco boxes and teemo shrooms useless (Basically what their kit relies on) for 5 minutes is unfair just gtfo

Strangely enough, I still get people falling for my traps anyways, all because people are completely ignorant of the one player who actually has the oracle. I'd bet that the extract wouldn't completely screw you unless you had at least 2 or 3 people getting them. At which case, were talking 600 to 900 gp.

Extract is their, because the game mode doesn't have sweeping lenses, so an alternative form of trap detection is needed. Yet we have problems trying to make use of either Hextech Sweeep or Light Bringer, because they are fairly build specific, and often not a good option on most champs. (Though their trap detection was totally permanent once built.)

GeminiRuneMay 4, 20173 votes

You're talking a 300 gold item that most players wouldn't even think to build as awareness. I would prefer to fake them out. As playing the champion:

Teemo is not as linear as most would assume. He doesn't always need traps. There's more than many viable ways to play him by using traps as a combat tool instead of utility
Nidalee is a genuine poke champion most of the time with spears. The traps grant vision if that's necessary. Realistically Oracles vs Nidalee is only forcing out the buy but it's not necessary nor urgent depending on the comp.
Jhin ramps up on damage over time. Basically a dependent force buy like with Nidalee.
Shaco is a unique factor as his traps are more effective than the others. But like Teemo, he's not linear and has variety in ways of being played depending on the team composition. The recent changes may have made it harder to execute, but from the other three champions you state, I see nothing wrong with the oracle factor.

myfithaccountMay 8, 20171 votes

Im a teemo main you either play him tankmo, on hit, or ap (where you rely on traps). Getting rid of the ap build leaves him with tankmo which is not good in aram or on hit if you have great teamates. Nidalee uses traps for vision which is lost with oracles. Jhin traps can do lots of damage if stacked and rooted. Shaco can be played ad where you rely on traps for fear or ap where you rely on them for fear and damage. No matter what they still need their traps. You can make them sound uneeded but why would they be in the kit if its useless in most situations?

Homer SexualMay 19, 20173 votes

Hur hur it's fair that shaco and teemo are countered by a 300g item hur hur.

Like you could at least have a different system where you don't get a 5 oracles, maybe reduce the time to 1 minute or so. "teemo doesn't need mushrooms to win a game." Imagine being able to by a 300g item that nullifies a champions ultimate for 5 minutes..

GeminiRuneMay 19, 20171 votes

The "hur hur" makes me feel as if to not respond seriously, especially after this discussion is long past. Specifically for Teemo, read the part again about how I said use it as a combat tool over a utility tool. If you still don't get that, it means using them on targets (Caitlyn esque). I'm sure you know Teemo. I don't need to break it down for you