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Regarding Malzahar Rework Flat damage Nerf

Sirbigam·5/4/2016, 4:47:11 PM·21 votes·6,256 views

Hello Riot,

 I am a Pro Malzahar Player, and usually only play Malzahar for three season. One of the top 2 most played Malzahars of NA.

I would like you to bring flat damage bak to Malzahars spells to where people can choose weather they want to ap or ad. There will be those that go ad and ap but your only half as strong in either area at that point.

  I have tested out Malzahar AP, and I would give my passive back to have you bring bak flast damage even if I have 3 spells to count on for Ap. Malzahar is literally almost not relevant anymore mid lane and dependant on other carries to combo with him.

    Pls Riot not many people have played him before so you might not get any of these emails please respect me as a long time Malz player and look into making him playable, he is too slow paced now in a high level of play with his flat AP damage down, there is no respect for him in my matches from my opponents as his ult does no damage when opponents go all in.  

  Q is a skill shot if you cant land it 80% to 90% of the time it is useless but this new q does no relevant damge on top of not scaling well. It is a spell that enemies can dodge so pls bring back flat damage on that.

  E is on a shorter cooldown with less damage and bad scaling,  pls bring back scaling or flat damage on that. If your worried about q refreshing after yu undo nerf on it lower damge of q while e is on opponent.

Pls Riot i was mainly surprised at the nerf after PBE, RIot I have heard you want your workers to be able to play the game, I am questioning who thought it was ok to give this a pass as I dont think they are familiar with Mazahars strong points in the game, the passive is usless if he cant put any ap damage on opponents that will out damage or outsustain him as AP.

Witness Me Pls Riot Senpai, Sirbigam

46 Comments

iTaLenTZ5/4/2016, 5:14:25 PM10 votes

Same here, i mained Malz for 3 seasons and got to D2 with him. Repertoir is an idiot who had no clue about Malzahar and ruined the champ completely. Then we have a bunch of bronzies saying Malz is fine now because they watched a vid of Malz jungle. I am so glad I decided to uninstall this game today.

Edit: Watching how this seasons only got worse and worse I am 100% sure this will be the last season of Meddler as head champdesigner and Repertoir as a champdesigner.

Karma Deified5/4/2016, 6:23:14 PM7 votes

Been saying for a while. The new passive doesn't fit Malzahar thematically. It also doesn't add to his playstyle, which has been ruined with this update.

I do think Malzahar will be considered too strong for a while and I also feel that he can potentially be too strong with the new passive in capable hands, but screw that.

Maybe some people main a champ cause the champ is strong, but I'm pretty sure most do it for the feel of the champ.

Malzahar doesn't feel like Malzahar anymore. Honestly, he feels like a better Yorick.

This update stripped away what made Malzahar who he is thematically and in gameplay.

Malzahar got Cass/Quinn'd

HazyCloud75/4/2016, 7:40:09 PM5 votes

The way I see it they Viktor'd him. Changed the identity of the champion and made him better in certain areas at the cost of strengths of the champion that the people that actually play the champion didn't want to trade for anyway.

I've played against him, and It's not that he seems weak or anything, it just felt like playing against an entirely different champion.

ShierCarnation5/10/2016, 3:52:21 AM4 votes

I Consider myself a Malzahar main. I'm not calling myself a pro but I am also certainly not calling myself a noob with Malzahar either, but I am in total agreement. Malzahar deals no damage now. Sure people think he's op just because he can take on a level two dragon. Well so what? Early game, you won't exactly notice the dragon bonus until you play out the game. The main thing is that Malzahar no longer has a mid or late game. He can obtain early kills now with his passive and his voidlings but come post 6 and malzahar can't do a thing. He's too slow to be able to land a E W R combo since his E channels and almost every champ is faster than he is, his voiding don't last that long, his R is replaced by a null void...REPLACED BY NULL VOID!!!! wtf riot, that's just saying oh yeah lets make it so that he has a fricken laser that holds people and can't deal damage. USS MALZAHAR ENGAGING TRACTOR BEAM. His voidlings don't even have much health, and they are his main source of damage now. The voidings are also what makes his mid and late game terrible. Imagine fighting someone who has life steal. His voidlings become mini health pots for adc's with life steal. His E and Q are so nerfed he might as well go full AD and use his auto attacks instead because at least then he can actually do some damage. His passive only serves to work against damage since no one is stupid enough to try and stun him with his passive up. In fact the passive only further causes noobies, no offense of the term, to have trouble playing with a Malzahar on their own team. Malzahar is a mage who needs a tank to keep him alive, now his passive will make him seem like an engage champ.

Please riot, Malzahar was fine as he was, your new rework has stripped a modest champion of the finer things in his life. His cult was fine before, Malzahar immobilizes himself in order to deal at least some form of damage with his ult. Now he risks all and in return deals minor damage.

Paroe5/4/2016, 9:36:21 PM4 votes

Malzahar went from 1200+3.0AP (roughly) to 500+1.5(roughly). He lost over 50% of his damage to become a really nice, objective focused jungler. This rework would have been better with a relaunch focused around jungling to be honest. Q, E, and ult dont make sense and are pathetically weak for a laner, and malzahar lost his identity as an anti-assassin who punished squishies who attempted to jump him.

Adding base damage back on to his ult would go a long way to helping him, but right now his ability to lane needs to be looked at. whther thats by increasing E damage to lane minions, or making it so enemy minions who spread malefic visions give him kill gold regardless, His lane capacity needs to be buffed.

Onkel Malte5/4/2016, 5:17:39 PM4 votes

It doesn't have to be flat damage necessarily. But at least trade the AoE for stronger scaling or base percentage. :/

TallyZrg5/4/2016, 5:40:30 PM4 votes

I'm an avid Malz player as well. Don't play ranked so I can't comment on which level of player I'm going up against, but I can combo consistently on him and usually win lane / affect the mid game.

Haven't had the opportunity to play the new kit. What are your thoughts on how it plays? I looked at the numbers yesterday and they seemed significantly lower (both in base dmg and ratio), and the ult doesn't seem as impactful as it used to be (even with the Free %health void zone that has more dmg than the current one).

Also do you still max R > E > Q > W? Or do you max your skills differently now?

Excited to play the updated kit.

billxx5/4/2016, 6:52:30 PM3 votes

It's probably because of his new shield. That looks utterly ridiculous. Honestly, I don't think he even needed that big a change. Just make his ult a skill shot and you're good to go.

FurretHasAGlock5/4/2016, 4:58:49 PM3 votes

I honestly, just hate the new malz. Too op tbh.

McKeifus5/4/2016, 8:21:41 PM3 votes

I saw the damage nerfs and was very concerned...they dropped his W as a tank shred/deterrent, and took the damage off his R so now his E-R-W is no longer valid or useful. His E was the main thing that got him respect, and now that's nerfed. With overall AP down across the board, he seems like he is going to be mostly ignored.

Sirbigam5/5/2016, 11:38:30 PM3 votes

I tried playing him I really did it's impossible yu can't even be call a threat anymore, it's impossible to play him anymore, every champ has flat damage, Why do this to him Riot, try playing him in rank against pro players Riot instead of playing against each other after yur PBE nerf... This is wrong, there are more people that play Malzahars counters of course they will be more vocal about taking away his flat damage, and they are stronger now in this patch against a weak reworked Malz!!

Steel Blossom5/5/2016, 4:11:39 AM3 votes

I'm an assassin main, and I too support getting rid of his new passive and bring his damage back. I mean, damage Malz was about not letting him get off his combo on me while I tank his ult. The current Malz feels like a caster minion with an automatic Fizz E. Not fun to play against, but from what I've seen, not fun to play as either.

SpongebobIsLife5/4/2016, 4:50:28 PM2 votes

they nerfed the damage on e because you can effectively triple it's damage by resetting it with your q and ult. Malz his fine, if although his voidlings could use something like: "take 50 percent less damage from aoe", since they are so pivotal to his damage.

ItLooms6/13/2016, 10:38:18 PM2 votes

They basically did the same to Brand. He is useless now in lane. I feel like Riot did a culling...they just discarded mages they did not like. Nobody asked for these reworks and nobody is happy about them. This and dynamic queue are two things I am considering quitting this game.

ApollyonBainer5/5/2016, 5:25:20 PM1 votes

I think that he should keep his passive and W the way it is. Maybe his passive has too short of a cd but that's nit picky. I do agree that his ult should do some kind of flat dmg though. If you do that then it would be ok to nerf the dmg on his W or the time your voidlings can be alive. I know I'm not a high elo player and don't understand the speed of play but I feel that in time this new Malz will fit right into the game with this new type of playstyle.

Strawberrycocoa5/4/2016, 8:22:00 PM1 votes

I loved old Malzahar and can't wait to try out the new kit, but based just on the numbers nerfs, they kind of make sense to me. Formerly, if I could land Visions on an enemy laner, they would eat almost 1/3 of their health, sometimes as much as half. From 1 point-click. I am not in favor of the trend towards converting point-clicks to skillshots because I think point-clicks are necessary to counter mobility champions, but Malzahar's former E punished positioning mistakes and melee opponents just a bit too much. It'll be interesting having to commit more to a duel instead of dropping E and /laughing from a safe distance.

Zenthon Prime5/4/2016, 6:29:37 PM1 votes

Isn't he supposedly insanely overpowered right now?

Krully9/3/2016, 6:30:32 PM1 votes

hes shite

Sirbigam5/4/2016, 9:41:47 PM1 votes

Ok guys I played him in Rank I wooped ass because I can pretty much adapt to the changes as I have about 8,000 Malz rank games under me as AP burst crowd control, my most riskiest runes are wat it required lik I usually play risky annoying Malz, but playing passive till level 3 allowed me to use my risky Runes.......... Early game good luck guys its the diffrence between a good malzahar player and a bad player that cant adapt but a good Malzahar will still have a hard time if too cocky or not on ocassions with low burst.

Good Luck and Speed fellow Malzahars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!