GJ Riot you somehow made the Jungle determines games situation worse

Malix Farwin·12/4/2019, 8:05:13 AM·34 votes·12,628 views

The jungle who is good and the jungle who is autofilled is so apparent now its maddening. All they have to do is die 1 time and the game then becomes a 4v5 with the better jungler just getting everything and the other being in such a bad state that it would legit increase odds of winning if they afk'd at fountain. At least then they wouldnt give up any more gold. Not touching this game till this jg business is fixed.

Legit feels like the best way to win right now is to practice a top tier jungler and just win more than half your games off of auto-filled opponents alone.

42 Comments

BlackXIV12/4/2019, 1:12:00 PM16 votes

I'm gonna have to downvote even if you're basically right.

What you mention is not a jungle importance problem but quite the opposite. Since jungle lost it's weight no one wants to main it and you're stuck with autofillers. Autofill jungle is particularly bad because while it require less matchup knowledge than a lane it has a higher basic role knowledge requirement.

Jungle can hardly win a game today, and that is the main issue but what you see is how easily it can LOSE a game.

Worst JG Wins12/4/2019, 9:59:18 PM7 votes

Me in early s8- You know nerfing the JG isn't gonna help you actually learn how to play the game and the JG is gonna continue to punish your poor lane play. JG isn't actually OP, it's just a scapegoat for your own failures.

Boards on crab patch- hallelujah JG isn't OP, you're just mad JG now requires skill

Boards 2 weeks later- OMG JG still OP

Me in late s8-You know nerfing the JG isn't gonna help you actually learn how to play the game and the JG is gonna continue to punishs your poor lane play. JG isn't actually OP, it's just a scapegoat for your own failures.

Boards in S9 preseasons- hallelujah JG isn't OP, you're just mad JG now requires skill

Boards 2 weeks later - OMG JG still OP

Me in Mid Season 9 - You know nerfing the JG isn't gonna help you actually learn how to play the game and the JG is gonna continue to punish your poor lane play. JG isn't actually OP, it's just a scapegoat for your own failures.

Boards after 3rd set of nerfs - hallelujah JG isn't OP, you're just mad JG now requires skill

Boards 2 weeks later - OMG JG still OP

Me in preseason 10- You know nerfing the JG isn't gonna help you actually learn how to play the game and the JG is gonna continue to punish your poor lane play. JG isn't actually OP, it's just a scapegoat for your own failures.

Boards after 4th set of nerfs hallelujah JG isn't OP, you're just mad JG now requires skill

Boards 2 weeks later - OMG JG still OP

Me in Preseason 10 - FUCK THIS Chogath MID item 1401 summoner 11 summoner 4

Ashe mage AD12/4/2019, 10:11:37 AM6 votes

Legit feels like the best way to win right now is to practice a top tier jungler and just win more than half your games off of auto-filled opponents alone.

I swear I love the way you worded that point of view blahahah, and it's even better cuz it makes sense lololol [sg-miss-fortune]

Smyxie12/4/2019, 3:47:03 PM5 votes

Well, It is still possible to win without a jungler but it's true that he has most of the time the highest impact during the game. However, I think that winning bot lane can change a lot too If they are securing the river and drake after. To be honest I came to the conclusion that you need 3 (or more if you are lucky) decent players out of 5 to win a game no matter the line. :D

Like ofc everything is possible and you can still carry 1v9 sometimes but If we are talking about the object majority it usually works that you need at least 3 decent players in the team to secure the win. I often see this with my duo partner on second acc when we are grinding through rankeds. We can get fed as much as we can but lose If we don't have the third player who just listens to calls or play decently.

Diopsideˆ12/5/2019, 6:52:50 AM5 votes

All laners and who else thinks Jungle is so "OP". Please jungle yourselves and check in how it's fun to play as lvl 9 against lvl 12 solo laners. Whoever crying that more and more ganks appeared, consider yourself to watch replays and look for your made mistakes.

Mrs Qtpie12/4/2019, 4:42:15 PM5 votes

The jungle who is good won't be able to keep level parody with the solo laners while sitting on a lane all day now, because they reduced jg xp, and also they removed catch up xp. So now, will there be a lvl and gold discrepency between the "good and bad" junglers, as you put it? YES. Should there be? YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. YES, SKILL SHOULD MATTER.

Buck Strickland12/4/2019, 7:43:09 PM4 votes

Just play Lee Sin and you'll probably eek an win out just pushing random buttons.

BigFBear12/5/2019, 6:17:16 AM4 votes

Jungle is so unforgiving now I would even say a Jungler in Plat 1 have to be 10 times better than his laner in terms of game-knowledge. Put a Plat 1 Jungle otp on a lane and he maybe plays at Plat 3 niveau or maybe he could even win lane. Put a Plat 1 Laner in the jungle and he plays on Bronze niveau, lol.

But funny enough the junglers are the ones who get flamed the most by their shitty laners who just right-click their shitty minions and don't understand macro at ALL.

8 Lamar Jackson12/4/2019, 9:12:30 PM3 votes

i made a post about jungle being even more important now with the drag buff changes. Folks didnt believe me. I will say it again, whoever has the better jg wins. When I say this, I mean what the op is saying. The skill difference in an autofilled jg vs an autofilled supp or top or even mid is literally game changing. I am sure folks would much rather have a silver top vs plat top than a silver jg vs plat jg.

Z3SIeeper12/4/2019, 9:43:26 PM3 votes

There's a really stupid split in the jg complaints right now.

We have half the people saying

"Wahhh jungle can't carry anymore too nerfed"

and then we have the rest saying

"Jungler is deciding games on their own too hard"

The latter is a justifiable complaint, the former is lack of game knowledge. Anyhow, good thread OP I agree, role matters way too much.

Case and point right here:

[{quoted}](name=Mrs Qtpie,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oNc93Xe5,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-12-04T16:42:15.253+0000)

The jungle who is good won't be able to keep level parody with the solo laners while sitting on a lane all day now, because they reduced jg xp, and also they removed catch up xp.

The side lane island dwellers have too much impact. My role that impacts the entire map from game start just can't keep up.

I like that both I and the quoted commenter are being downvoted. Pretty funny. This is why nothing is happening, the community is split.

Lmfao this guy whose comment is basically the same as the OP is also being downvoted.

[{quoted}](name=8 Lamar Jackson,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oNc93Xe5,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-12-04T21:12:30.338+0000)

Folks didnt believe me. I will say it again, whoever has the better jg wins.

Jungle threads are an absolute gem.

Thilmer12/4/2019, 10:49:17 PM3 votes

I hate how some roles have 0 impact on winning rigth now.

Support? Nerfed ítems for no reason.

Toplane? Riot doesn't care about that lane since season 5.

5050BS12/4/2019, 9:56:37 PM2 votes

Jungle needed nerfs but it is true that now a jungler that does not know how to jungle might as well afk.

Im actually ok with Playing Jungle now tho because I know what is important to the jungle role and so dont feed like I use too.

PVE is much better. Ward jungles/River, Get Dragons/RH, Join in lane fights (dont force ganks) and help laners push waves that need pushed to take turrets = wins.

Issue is that people that dont play Jungle still think its S9 and so try and gank gank gank and the means they are feeding feeding feeding.

Zero Skill Tank12/4/2019, 7:58:54 PM2 votes

Legit feels like the best way to win right now is to practice a top tier jungler

But that has been the case for years and years now?

makkii12/5/2019, 12:14:39 AM2 votes

Junglers now have more influence then ever. The reality is that prior to the changes junglers were actively being rewarded for bad gameplay habits. Camped a lane for four straight minutes just to get one kill? Doesnt matter that you idled not killing jungle for 2 of those minutes, catchup xp would reward your shitty play after you got your laner ahead by sheer brute force play. Its better this way, junglers have just as much influence as before, if not more, they iust can’t faceroll their way through a game.

Heos0012/5/2019, 8:38:17 AM1 votes

My enemy jungler actually said "this role is braindead, stop playing adc and main jungle, you can get every lane ahead and at least one has to carry the game" after i smashed his bot lane but he got his top lane and mid lane ahead so me being feed doesn't matter since solo roles have their morale broken and they are 0-5-1... And this basically every game from preseason, it's like they just define every game now. Or roles like adc has literally 0 agency unless jg attention is on you, almost a lane for the mid and jungler to get feed.

KicktheDoor12/5/2019, 1:04:14 PM1 votes

I have been having a lot of success with AP Amumu despite being one of the champions that was supposed to be non-viable with the Jungle changes. It's more or less the same only now you want to focus on farming a bit more to stay ahead on XP and get punished for wasting time, losing dragon XP, losing kill/assist XP.

While it's possible to control dragon yourself, most the time it depends on whether bot or mid is dominating their lane to assist you. If I gank bot it's usually an easy dragon, and if I get dragon its usually an easy herald. Then another easy dragon and so on. Not much mid or bot can do from behind so it's especially important they don't disadvantage themselves early game so jungle can make their moves.