Tanks needs to deal with healing? 
1000g
AD needs to deal with healing? 
800g
AP needs to deal with healing? 
3000g
This needs a change and it's so beyond easy too, literally just replace the 
in the recipe with an 850 AP GW item. That's it, that's all you need to do and suddenly we'll be able to deal with aids like 
and 
and 
without having to dump all of our gold into a single item.
nerf all ap items by 30% and then maybe we should consider a cheaper hp reduction option for mages
put GW on Oblivion Orb, drop the cost to like 1100g and move the MPen to Morello.
It's been suggested 20000 times
mages are already played in every single lane idk why you're vouching for mage improvements when there's little reigning them in as it is lol
No, there really doesn't. Mages already get stupid gold efficiency out of all of their items.
add grievous wounds to oblivion orb lol
chief, the 1000g item tanks get sucks right now. Like, you would have to sink 5000 gold worth of stats into your build to make it any bit good. Also mages should lose to sustain, Vlad's a black sheep however.
No I don't think that mages should be given a cheap grievious wounds item components.
The bramble vest gives grivious wounds to whoever attacks the tank, but that's rarely more than 1 or 2 enemies at the same time. Ad-champs who buy executioner also apply grivious wounds to only 1 or 2 enemies in most situations. 3 targets if it's an adc with hurricane, but they also don't buy hurricane first, so this combo is probably not available before minute 25.
But mages have an easy time applying grivious wounds to all 5 enemies at the same time. They are the class that literally specialises on powerfull aoe-abilities. If they were allowed to unlock grivious wounds with a cheap item components that would be extremly unfair.
Ya its stupid that for AP you have to have a FULLY built item to get GW while Tank and AD can spend less then 1k and get it.
Once again, as I slowly come to ways to be able to condense my reasoning for this, I will repeat why this is a bad idea.
Most AP users are Burst, outside supports for the most part. Most AD/Tanks are less burst, or at least in the early game, require more time and effort to be able to kill things than AP folk. Requiring that time to be longer, they need GV earlier in the game, because Healing beats DPS, but Burst beats Healing. If you kill them in one go, they can't heal from it. DPS needs to whiddle down the constantly healing champions like Mundo or Olaf, which is their items are cheaper.
GV should be locked behind an expensive item because the ability to massively burst people shouldn't also mean that you're also able to stop them from trading with you at all. If you can't kill them with your combo, they should have the opening to replenish their health and continue to trade early game. This doesn't apply later in the game, where healing is far more than just base numbers.
You shouldn't get both of best worlds early for GW and Burst. You shouldn't get a higher ability-to-kill percentage of their health, but also get to negate any way of them being able to deal with that. It becomes considerably one sided. AD/Tanks get that because most can't kill you from 80 to 0 at level 6 in a second or two.
Because AP items aren't good enough already I see.
Mages also don't get a life steal Sceptre equivalent either
I love how supports are dominating every role except jungle... there is exactly 1 decent mage jungle... assassins are everywhere.. and Senna/Raka/Sona are busting the game open... but people don't want grievous wounds....
Yet half the posts on the forums are bitching about sona/raka/senna.
Jesus people.
It's an easy fix. Lower to 2700g... remove the magic pen entirely... add grievous wounds to 
and reduce the cost to 1300g . Bam you get lower damage, and a functional grievous wounds component for mages. Mages already have access to 
they really don't need more ability to get through MR or burst squishies.
Sure. 3 things first.
You can have a useful first back GW AP item as soon as Executioners is changed to be built into an item that is ACTUALLY USEFUL, like Black Cleaver or Death's Dance and not into of shit Mortal Reminder.
Also Zhonya's cooldown needs to go up to match that of Guardian Angel.
And finally increase the gold cost of all first back AP items by to 100 gold.
Like I am amazed by the power fantasies some people have.
Fine if they lower overall ap Ap champions use burst. Healing is the natural counter to burst (if it doesnt kill you)
I like taking the spell-pen off morellos (and reducing cost), because as is it feels like the item isn't enough of a compromise designed to counter heals. It feels like it gets bought more by mages who want spellpen and the GW is just on there for free... and occasionally a smart mage might buy it into a healing team. Though perhaps GW needs a buff across the board as well.
As for making the orb have GW, I'm not a fan. I agree it would be more "fair" and "same", but that's boring. What's the point of a game where everything is the same? If you want cheap GW in your comp, then play an AD champ who can build it, or Kled or Katarina who kind of gets it for free. Personally I sometimes build executioner on support bard, because it's cheap, and nobody else on my team wasnt to build it. If the game goes long enough sometimes I'll sell it and buy morellos.
nope fuck mages straight up they are op as is no need to further buff them
I don't agree or disagree here. GW on morello is the cheapest stat allocation for GW, but has the penalty of being built onto a complete item with one of the more expensive stat distributions. Most likely if your suggestion went through, you would see a 2-400 gold increase on morello's price.
Again, not arguing for or against, just making statements.
