Fiddlestick’s fear should behave like Cassiopeia’s ult

Moncho·7/22/2018, 5:13:32 AM·22 votes·7,622 views

Hallo, I haven’t seen anyone make a post about Fiddlestick’s but the title makes sense. If you look at him you should be feared. If you don’t, then you won’t get feared. The current fear on his q is very unfair to play against since it is an easy single target ability and cannot be avoided when cast which is why he is doing so well as a support. Fiddlestick’s already has another powerful single target cc which is his silence and doesn't need his fear to be one as well. Though Fiddlestick’s needs a rework, but for now Fiddlesticks needs a few simple changes to make him more risk reward and more meaningful, while also providing counterplay without affecting him as a Jungler either.

Fiddle’s Q change CD & fear duration: same CC application: Single target------------>New: Aoe cone similar to Annie’s w. Spell conditions: None----------->New interaction: enemies that look at Fiddlestick’s when he uses his q are feared. Enemies that look away from Fiddlestick’s are slowed for 30/35/40/45/50% decaying over 1.5s Cast animation before applying fear: Instant--------->0.5s

Reasons for change: • Gives the opponent more opportunity to work around his fear • Adds a new interesting playstyle • Makes him more terrifying to more than one enemy

Fiddlesticks could also get some tweaks to his passive too. The idea of movement speed is good on Fiddlesticks so that he stick to his target but it doesn’t make sense to stand still for it.

Passive Condition: Stand still -------->New interaction: Fiddlestick’s gains bonus movement towards enemies that face away from him during combat. Bonus movement speed: 25/30/35/40% --------->15/20/25/30% Movement speed duration: 1.5s --------->Until out of combat.

Reasons for change: • Based around fear, not standing still • Synergies with new q and ult • Helps Fiddlesticks chase and stick to his target longer and more reliably which Fiddlesticks tends to struggle with

Also it would be cool if Fiddlestick’s ult could fear minions like other champions (eg Urgot, Darius, Aatrox) to make him even more fearful.

What do you guys think?

Thx for reading. Hope this helps.

12 Comments

Häxel7/22/2018, 10:53:40 AM8 votes

it is creative, but the diffrence between casio and fiddel is that casio has this as her ult with a long cd. To have it able to proc it multiple times in a teamfight with an aoe fear i think it would be even worse as current fiddle. Like especialyl how fiddel ult works, thhis would be like flash into wukong/ori ult, but fiddelalready has the flash in his ult and even if just one guy faces in another direction with your new idea of his passive movementspeed from that too. And he has his silence. Like ori flashult or wu flashult is limited to their flash cd. Ok, wukogn can use w too, but fiddel can flash AND ult, ult alone is as good as their flashults. And while ori has jsut this little pull in and wu the knochup while he can't use other abilities durig ult and regardless also ahs no ther cc, fiddle fear is a long cc and the silence another cc as well.

Just look at trydnamre w. it slows enemies that face away. It is ok cause facing away happens most times while runnign away, not while fighting. Also a slow is not that hard of a cc. On the other side casio has the harder impact exaclty otherwise: good in teamfight as an ullt with peopel facing her, bad if people run away from her.

what is a fear? it already lets people turn around to walk slowly away(beside yi ult). It is a bit good for both, teamfights and not letting people escape.

I would already be fine if it was just a linear skillshot like a xerath e/anivia q or like a taric e/zyra e. A cone realy would be far to wide, but a straight skillshot could be dodged or flashed far more easier and is not that good as a wombocombo with his ult. This facing away rule kinda unnecesary.

Jeiku7/22/2018, 3:33:57 PM4 votes

The ability itself is too problematic to have as a basic spell.

mzicio7/22/2018, 5:34:46 PM4 votes

His current Q is not instant btw, it does have a little cast time.

OatheSworn7/22/2018, 10:45:55 AM3 votes

I don't think your reworked Q should have a cast time as long as 0.5 seconds. Fiddle's Q is always expected if he's walking up/you are engaging because it's a basic ability. Cassiopeia's ultimate also has something like a cast time, maybe 0.3 seconds or so before the actual stun/damage is applied--even if it's not mentioned--so Fiddle's should be more or less the same? I feel like 0.5 seconds is a pretty long time (doesn't seem like it in words but in-game it is actually a lot) so I think reducing it would be better.

ΦmalphintoΦ7/23/2018, 1:05:55 AM2 votes

On my ult i have around 200k points on fiddle, i didn't touch him more than 5~6 months now. in my opinion? you are demanding a lot, if you want fiddle Q to be an AOE-DMG all of these champions Q/E should be an AOE-DMG too.

Lux So Lux Q is ok to you? 2 Seconds root/stuck/stun + DMG btw. + DMG from E + DMG from R (sometimes) Morgana So Morgana Q is ok to you? 3 Seconds root/stuck/stun + DMG btw. + DMG from E + DMG from R (sometimes)

i won't go into more champions to get unnecessary details and waste my time more than now btw Ahri Shen Rakan Zilean Zyra Zoe Thresh Heimerdinger Galio Evelynn They are a lot more CC and DMG but ya only picked Fiddle to complain about, Oh i forgot this boy Amumu and more.

Fiddlesticks Fear 2 Seconds duration No DMG / marks 1 Target only.

Now check my match history, i'm not playing fiddle anymore, at least im not crying for losing a 1 game against a fed fiddle, and making a long rant post in details of how they should hotfix his skills just because you think that?

i mean, yeah, i'm heated, why people are focusing on one champ anyway? if anyone complain about Lux or Morgana God forbid the E-Girls And all the Boosters are Going to make a gangplank party on them.

Ranmaru7/22/2018, 7:16:02 PM2 votes

No we need the poitn and click fear For the mobile champs

Swiff Swish7/23/2018, 12:03:48 AM2 votes

you know, I don't mind this ability compared tot he scarecrow bouncing around silencing me for life.

Poldy Scarecrow7/22/2018, 10:20:15 AM2 votes

This is pretty creative, I like it.

Bob the Toastr7/22/2018, 4:03:46 PM2 votes

The point of him standing still is he's a scarecrow lol. Scarecrow's don't run at people, they stand still.

Raiyza7/22/2018, 1:49:17 PM1 votes

I agree, but this can wait until Fiddle's eventual rework. It would add some much needed counterplay to a stupid point and click.

Warlord Rhinark7/22/2018, 11:51:07 AM1 votes

Love it!

Disulfiram7/22/2018, 11:17:30 AM1 votes

I like this!

Just a note though - Fear currently does have a cast animation, it is not instant.