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Can Nullifying Orb be changed to a shield tuned to block CHAMPION DAMAGE? Or just replace it

DongsAndShrooms··45 votes·13,897 views

Seriously why the AD bias here?

Why has this Rune even existed for as long as it has? It's an unfair literally braindead skilless Invisible Power rune that you can do nothing to play around, it's just there and you can do nothing about it except try all that harder to pump out damage to punch through it when you're trying to kill someone as an AP.

It's pretty much exactly like the Banner of Command crap which ended up getting it removed entirely, Banner was an unhealthy cancer effect that completely removed agency of Magic Damage champs and when it finally got changed to a neutral effect Riot couldn't do anything with it except remove it because it was "Either too powerful or useless."

So can you people please just remove and replace this toxic Rune with something that actually requires a single braincell? Hell replace it with some kind of HP restore you can only get by interacting with enemies so Sorcery finally has a health sustain option unlike every other page in the Runes. Keep it in the same exact row as Manaflow too so you have to choose between keeping your HP or your Mana up, that way nobody can complain because Mage's will either be super fucking easy to poke out of lane cause they have no good sustain options unless they take Ravenous-Hunter or they'll run dry on Mana if they actually try to do anything aside from clearing minion waves.

39 Comments

Nyarlathοtep9 votes

Dont bother man. No one listens. You will just get downvoted for stating the truth.

xxxMadLionxxx5 votes

They should replace it with another movespeed rune...lol

wildfox994 votes

make it work like Camille's shield,either AP or AD shield

Bigrig1073 votes

Wait, people actually take this rune? And you think it’s overpowered?

It’s a fill in for champs like Vlad when they want Phase Rush but don’t have mana, at best.

DongsAndShrooms12 votes

Um... why wouldn't Vlad want Nimbus?

And also going by that flawed and outright incorrect logic of no one taking it wouldn't that be all the more reason to replace it? Not to mention again Banner was the exact same thing, niche but incredibly unhealthy when used.

SwiftKitten883 votes

riot seems to think the only way to deal with "damage" is to give u a big shield for no valid reason.

what makes this rune so pathetic is it is in the sorcery tree, so the AD mids who WOULD use it proably arn't runnin gsorcery, while the AP casters not only dont want it, even if they did couldnt really take it for the absolute necessity that is manaflow, escpaully after they removed ultimate hat for the shit thing which most mages cant even use becuase the VAST majority of the makes have ultimate that ACTIVELY ROOT THEM.

where as other champs would like like a speed boost, (like Nidalee ) cant even effectively even use it becuase, you swap forms so often, that it would never be up when u wanted it to.

RookPusher2 votes

Uh? So you opt in when your laner is AP. There is a whole AD resistant tree. Not sure why you think it's bias. As a reminder, AP is pretty consistently the minority form of damage.

MakishiEFB27 votes

Where is this AD resistant tree? There is not a single Rune that singles out Physical damage specifically, unlike Nullifying Orb which singles out Magic damage.

Not to mention item 3155, why do you need 2? One with a 90 second CD and another at 60 that also scales with your damage stats?

LatetotheRace1 votes

You fool!

BIFF2 votes

Does nullifying orb and maw stack? I think because they both trigger at 30% you only get one bubble. The greater of the two. Would be interesting to see can someone confirm?

DongsAndShrooms9 votes

They both proc

Orb will always go first though, so if it blocks enough it might even save Hex from proccing too

BIFF1 votes

So can they proc at the same time or is it orb then hex.

Example: Veigar has me stunned i see the shadow of death loom over my Graves im low health. An orb + maw proc (+- 600 combined spell shield) would save me from a nuclear winter. Would i get both or Find myself sitting at fountain with my nully on cd and my little mortus tucked away in my pants unused.

I need answers!

LordGeovanni1 votes

is that 34 ap veigar?

ChaddyFantome2 votes

For Null orb to be AD bias, only AD champs would be allowed to use it.

ChaddyFantome2 votes

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For Null orb to be AD bias, only AD champs would be allowed to use it.

The fact im getting this mich downvotes is maddening. Nothing is stopping you as an AP champ from going Null Orb.

zZ KanKuro Zz2 votes

except that i can t go that against some ad champ while the ads can go that against aps thats the "AD bias" part.

EkyonKun2 votes

I don't understand why it's even in Sorcery. I mean wouldn't it make a LOT of sense to swap it out with Revitalize?

Revitalize empowers healing and shielding spell casts Nullifying Orb gives a defensive option against burst.

Remove the AP/AD scaling on it, replace it with...idk, armor and MR? Suddenly it makes a lot more sense. To me, anyway.

NineTailedMystic5 votes

Considering shields already technically scale on your resistances that's kinda strong double dipping there.

EkyonKun1 votes

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Considering shields already technically scale on your resistances that's kinda strong double dipping there.

At least then you're sacrificing damage in order to gain defenses. Instead of this "Having your cake and eating it too" mentality.

Hibeki2 votes

Bc melee has greater risk to it.

It doesn't block all that much damage until late, which at that point is only about 150.

So its like an extra 40 health in laning, which isnt much especially if you go Second Wind Bone Plating...Hell you could choose Chrysalis and its probably better.

Nullifying orb isnt a problem. I have never once went against an assassin as a caster and thought "Wow nullifying orb really turned the fight there". It almost always appears and evaporates instantly.

PaffWasTaken2 votes

First of all...

Why the hell is this in sorcery tree? The runes in this tree are already the biggest jokes in this game when compaired to the other trees, and here we are, in the mage tree, giving a rune to counter mage damage... "Empowered abilities and resource manipulation.", my ass

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

? Are u okay?

Nimbus cloak is pretty good and has its users. Nullifying orb is the only way for melees to deal with absurd mage dmg especially in laning phase. Gathering storm, celerity is great. Absolute Focus is highly undervalued imo. Transendence? Free gold in stats what do you want. Manaflow band is still okay.

Domination is way shittier. Precision only has triumph and the extra dmg of the last three for most champs. Tenacity is a joke anyways. Alacrity doesnt benefit a lot of users. Same with legend bloodline.

Inspiration is okay i'd say.

big boi edri1 votes

Really? Sorcery has some of the best secondary runes in the game. I mean I know y'all like circle jerkin it, but damn.

SooFr0sty1 votes

Someone's explained this before but if it were an ad shield you really wouldn't see it.

It would have to be a gigantic shield to actually block anything or it would be deleted before you noticed it.

DongsAndShrooms5 votes

So why not replace it with something healthier, more impactful and actually interactive?

ChaddyFantome3 votes

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So why not replace it with something healthier, more impactful and actually interactive?

These are runes. Stop spamming buzzwords. Why dont we delete stopwatch and perfect timing by this logic.

MadViking2 votes

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These are runes. Stop spamming buzzwords. Why dont we delete stopwatch and perfect timing by this logic.

Stopwatch and perfect timing honestly should have never been introduced. Let's be honest here.

LatetotheRace1 votes

Why not we just go back to the old rune pages... None of this insane bullshit from the new "keystones"

LordGeovanni1 votes

interactive like Gathering storm.

Rıots Bad Client1 votes

Because Adc's would abuse it in every lane.

PokladnicaZla1 votes

I don't have an issue with it blocking only magic damage,but I do have a problem with it scaling of AD. It's in tge Sorcery tree, why the AD scaling?

The Yetii Rider1 votes

Yes. Health sustain that is available to manaless mages at no cost while mana mages feel like they cannot take it because they need to use options that restore mana instead. That won't have any sort of polarizing effect on Vladimir/Mordekaiser/Kennen matchups at all.

item 3145

MadViking1 votes

I pretty much never take this rune and I play a lot of tanks. It's nice sometimes but I feel like there are better choices in the sorcery tree.

Acheron161 votes

It's not AD bias, its so the rune isn't a must-pick all the time. Think about it, a rune that gives you a shield when you're at low HP that blocks ANY DAMAGE? Why WOULDN'T you pick that?

The rune was designed that way because magic damage is by definition bursty (unless stated otherwise), whilst physical damage is by definition DPS based (unless stated otherwise).

Just because AD assassins break the mold, doesN't mean you bave to break a rune to compensate (which would buff ALL champions in theory) but instead need to nerf the problematic champions (AD assassins).

Why do claim this rune requires "half a braincell" when the vast majority of runes give passive stats? How about you stop the blind hate and THINK about what you suggest?

kjm991 votes

The entire sorcery tree needs to be reworked honestly. Anything past the first set of runes is just a stat bonus with nothing else tied to it, and in the first set your champion or opponent is what decides what rune you take, there's nearly no choice in any of the sorcery runes.

Pyrath1 votes

Has anyone noticed that most champs have way better armor than magic resistance? Like... All of them? Even the most thematically durable champions like Braum are much weaker to magic damage compared to how well they tank physical damage.

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