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The good, The bad, and The old man. Zilean discussion in the new season.

biologist11·12/8/2015, 2:51:16 AM·12 votes·1,392 views

I've played a good amount of games with new Zilean I don't main him by any means but from what I've played I can in my opinion analyze his skills and how he fits in this season.

  1. How he fits in the meta/Synergy with Masteries/Keystone. So far it seems that this season till a huge change will be a snowball/fast meta and he does well in these kind of meta especially how far his utility can drop late game of not having a passive late game. So how are the new masteries on him I can say there fine mostly he works well with thunderlord's since he can easily get it off with 2 bombs then an auto that is easy with the stun. Also the 45% cool down reduction is nice more chronoshifts the meerier.

  2. Time in a bottle. So can having a passive based off exp ever be a good passive and I say to that yeah its possible and they hit close with this one but so close but so far .Right now Zilean mid can't really get good use of this passive just since the small window of opportunity is to far to make use of it on the jungler as much as Zilean support on his adc. This passive feels overall clunky to be honest with the small window opportunity it has for you to use it and how often you can be screwed over by just someone poking it and putting it on force out of combat cooldown and missing the opportunity but if you get to use it as you want (as soon as it gets off cooldown) you can get it to giving more exp than his old passive.So even though it is a bit clunky it can be more effective than the old passive.

  3. Time bomb I'm just saying this right now I love this spell it feels so good to use. Why does this spell feel so good to use just how well it works with his other spells other than the obvious rewind if you can get close enough you can slow them with time warp for an easy bomb stun. Also the other thing feels so good about it is you can put the bomb on an ally so they become a walking aoe stun you can either have a juggernaut put a bomb on them time warp them and when there right next to the carry put the second bomb on them and get the stun or an innation dash for example like malphites unbreakable will but this can be very readable if you put the bomb on them to early. This spell is a much better spell after its rework in my opinion.

4.Rewind Not much to say other than its just a spell to make his other spell reset to use again.

5.Time Warp Also not much to say other than overall a great spell that synergies well with Time bomb.

6.Chronoshift "Can't killean the Zilean." So this ultimate can be great or horrible When you use it correctly you feel like http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/3794139/victory-screech-o.gif but if you mess it up that happens alot you feel like http://cdn.list25.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/failgif7.gif How could you mess up a point and click well you may need to get in range to your ally that you either don't get there in time or you get assassinated while trying to save your ally but this risk is usually worth the reward.

7.Overall Will Zilean be played competivly No can he do well in solo .... Sure is there better options yes but this rework did put him in a better state than before and the new meta does help.

What exactly do you think?

10 Comments

TheOvermind12/8/2015, 10:49:10 AM3 votes

Zilean main here. Zilean is imo the best late game support in the game . The ability to bring back a carry at full hp with ulti every 30 s is priceless. Aoe stun every 4 s in team fights is crucial. 99% speed up or slow every 2 s is insanely good . ( all that with full cdr ) but ZiL is very lackluster support early game , being bullied by most supports or rivaled by more utility supports like Janna Nani and lulu . His mana costs and cool downs are way too rough early on . And in early game duels if he misses q the trade is lost ( even tho he has 3 more abilities ) and even if he does get the stun the chances of winning the trade are pretty low for how hard it was to hit those double Bombs. Zilean lacks sustain in lane and all those fancy shields or ad steroids that supports offer like alistar Janna nano lulu etc . All he has is an Aoe stun and a slow speed up . E is nothing more than a way to slow down the enemy carry to stun them. The speed up is not even nearly enough to escape a hank lest say . As a zilean main what I would like to see : -his e slow/speed up duration increased from 2.5 seconds to 3.5 seconds and /or. -his e gives atk speed boost on ally during its duration and atk speed slow on enemy

Bârd12/8/2015, 4:35:41 AM1 votes

Better than Fiddlesticks, that's for sure.

Blue Moon Wolf12/8/2015, 6:44:13 AM1 votes

You may need to get in range to your ally that you either don't get there in time or you get assassinated while trying to save your ally

Then there are the times you ult someone cause they are low on health and they somehow manage to live long enough for the Ult to wear off .__.

Nekusen12/8/2015, 7:04:57 AM1 votes

his passive should give permanent AP to him = to a % of the EXP he shares, that way he wouldn't be entirely without a passive at lvl 18. alternatively, i thought of a passive for him, in which after standing still for a few seconds, he would leave a "ghost" of himself standing, with a maximum of 3 ghosts at the same time. then, any ally at a close (lets say 700) distance of the ghost could click it to "flash" to it, giving that player and zilean a bit of exp. i think that would make for great strategical play.

about his bombs, i think they could make the throw smoother

Dengeden12/8/2015, 7:31:28 AM1 votes

I don't think his passive is all that bad for his solo laning, laning phase ends incredibly quickly and his speed up makes for good roaming. U cn also synchronize yo' B timing with a mate fo' dat sick MLG base passive. :]

45% CDR combo'd with his huge stun makes for some excellent zoning. I've considered running Rylai's (as a last item) in conjunction with Luden's to make up for how easily his bombs are avoided late game.

MunchCrunchLunch12/8/2015, 3:22:50 PM1 votes

he needs a new passive. its useless. you literally level up your allies a miinon away from leveling up on their own anyway. whats the point of that in the grand scheme of everything

Water Breathing12/8/2015, 3:38:34 AM1 votes

I actual think the keystone masteries are mediocre on Zil. At least for me, TLD seems unreliable because the amount of time of the second explosion is sometimes too long to get the 3rd attack proc. You have to auto like 1-2 seconds into the timer of the bomb to get it off, which is very hard late game.

StormRaider's doesn't fit the way I play Zilean (support, not maxing Q first), but I can see it being better with Mid Zilean, although the seond bomb would not be in the window of 2 sec.

Windspeeker's doesn't benefit from Ult, which I can't complain because it would be a bit absurd if it did. I actually end up going 0-12-18 and getting bond of stone for the dmg reduction because I'll always be near an ADC or someone to get the benefit.

The new passive is fun and feels more impactful in my opinion. I don't really have an issue of it being useless at level 18 because I am rarely in that position.

The biggest frustration I have with him right now is that sometimes Q will be inconsistent targeting champs vs. allies. When I throw two of them in the middle of an ally and enemy, I often find one of the bombs will go on the enemy and then one on the ally, which won't lead to a stun, even though I throw them in the same spot.

I'm also not sure what you mean by Zilean's utility dropping late game. Zilean is one of the, if not the best late game supports you can get. Aside from his passive, which doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.

TaoistMaster12/8/2015, 4:52:40 PM1 votes

Your team needs a frontline from top and jung in order for zilean support to succeed