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Outrage about Mobility Creep on reworked champions is silly. Akali is LESS mobile than before

japhib·7/19/2018, 8:50:12 PM·23 votes·4,979 views

All these posts about mobility creep and "petition to not let reworked Nunu get a dash" seem pretty exaggerated. Sure, new champions are pretty mobile, but as far as reworks go, **they haven't added dashes to people that didn't already have dashes. **

(The 2 exceptions are Galio and Talon. I just think that's not enough for the amount of outrage people have been having about this lately.)

Reworked Akali actually has LESS mobility after being reworked. She had a dash on her W, and her ult dash at rank 1 (with no resets from takedowns!) would recharge every 30 seconds, giving her 3 free dashes with a 90 second CD and even more than that if she resets off a kill. Her new kit has a dash on E, but you have to hit somebody with it first! And her R only has two dashes, one less than before, with a massively higher cooldown (120 seconds).

Aatrox also has LESS mobility after being reworked, since his E is way shorter and has a much longer CD than his old Q.

Irelia True, she gets more Q resets than before, but it's not like they added a whole 'nother dash to her kit.

Swain No dashes.

Evelynn One dash (ult) but less invisibility and let's face it, it was pretty sucky to play a bursty assassin that had zero dashes. Plus, she used to have a MS boost on her W, which they removed.

XinZhao No more dashes than he already had.

Urgot One very small dash with a long cast time and it can't go over walls. Plus he's much shorter ranged than before, and he has a self-slow on his W, so this is a neutral change.

Galio One of only two champions in recent history that has been given a real dash when his kit previously didn't have one. And keep in mind that it's only ONE dash, that can't go over walls, is super telegraphed with a big windup, and stops when he hits a single champion.

Warwick Got a bit of mobility on his Q, but it's super short range and the "lock on" mechanic is pretty situational. W has more movement speed than his old E, but only towards enemy low-health champions so they actually removed a lot of the previous movement speed by taking that way. Plus, it's out of combat movement speed so he can still be kited pretty hard. His R is also arguable less mobile than before since before it was a blink that you couldn't miss and now it's a dash.

Talon Is more mobile now, Q has a dash and his E gives him more mobility than before. But him and Galio are the only ones.

Khazix arguably was more mobile than before, if you evolved R and went through the bushes a lot. But that has been removed.

Katarina sorta has more dashes & resets because of how the new daggers work, but before she could ward hop over walls and stuff which I think is a pretty big nerf to her previous mobility.

The rest of the reworks:

Yorick Ryze Taric Shen Rengar Leblanc Maokai Zac Vladimir Malzahar all got ZERO extra dashes when they were reworked.

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HP Crookshanks7/19/2018, 9:14:44 PM11 votes

Reworked Akali 's E launches her backwards like Caitlyn 's E even if you don't hit anybody with the shuriken. I think Warwick is much more mobile now because he can use his ult to escape/jump over the walls. Also Ahri lost her bonus MS when she was reworked/reverted/nerfed in 8.8. So she's much less mobile now.

Vekkna7/19/2018, 10:09:48 PM7 votes

I noticed that you left out reworks to Fiora RekSai Quinn that had large increases in mobility.

I think the main bitch with Akali is the jump-back in addition to shroud. She was already super hard to kill in lane due to shroud + sustain. Now she has a free "GTFO" button on top of it.

Remember what used to make Ahri such an asshole to lane against? Passive heal + Q MS + multi dash on her ult. Hard to trade with, hard to all-in, hard to gank, and hard to poke/outsustain. You know what Riot learned from Ahri? Fucking nothing, that's what.

The mobility complaints are primarily directed at new champs, not so much the reworks. SInce season 5:

Azir Camille Ekko Kaisa Kindred Kled Ornn Pyke Rakan Zoe

6 of those 10 have double-dashes. And the dashes are alongside invisibility, untargetability, multiple ccs, and all sorts of other fresh hell.

Even the new champs that aren't loaded with dashes still have other forms of frustrating mobility (Xayah, Bard, Kayn, Taliyah, Sol, etc).

Morgana Ultima7/19/2018, 9:59:05 PM4 votes

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All these posts about mobility creep and "petition to not let reworked Nunu get a dash" seem pretty exaggerated. Sure, new champions are pretty mobile, but as far as reworks go, **they haven't added dashes to people that didn't already have dashes. **

(The 2 exceptions are Galio and Talon. I just think that's not enough for the amount of outrage people have been having about this lately.)

Reworked Akali actually has LESS mobility after being reworked. She had a dash on her W, and her ult dash at rank 1 (with no resets from takedowns!) would recharge every 30 seconds, giving her 3 free dashes with a 90 second CD and even more than that if she resets off a kill. Her new kit has a dash on E, but you have to hit somebody with it first! And her R only has two dashes, one less than before, with a massively higher cooldown (120 seconds).

Aatrox also has LESS mobility after being reworked, since his E is way shorter and has a much longer CD than his old Q.

Irelia True, she gets more Q resets than before, but it's not like they added a whole 'nother dash to her kit.

Swain No dashes.

Evelynn One dash (ult) but less invisibility and let's face it, it was pretty sucky to play a bursty assassin that had zero dashes. Plus, she used to have a MS boost on her W, which they removed.

XinZhao No more dashes than he already had.

Urgot One very small dash with a long cast time and it can't go over walls. Plus he's much shorter ranged than before, and he has a self-slow on his W, so this is a neutral change.

Galio One of only two champions in recent history that has been given a real dash when his kit previously didn't have one. And keep in mind that it's only ONE dash, that can't go over walls, is super telegraphed with a big windup, and stops when he hits a single champion.

Warwick Got a bit of mobility on his Q, but it's super short range and the "lock on" mechanic is pretty situational. W has more movement speed than his old E, but only towards enemy low-health champions so they actually removed a lot of the previous movement speed by taking that way. Plus, it's out of combat movement speed so he can still be kited pretty hard. His R is also arguable less mobile than before since before it was a blink that you couldn't miss and now it's a dash.

Talon Is more mobile now, Q has a dash and his E gives him more mobility than before. But him and Galio are the only ones.

Khazix arguably was more mobile than before, if you evolved R and went through the bushes a lot. But that has been removed.

Katarina sorta has more dashes & resets because of how the new daggers work, but before she could ward hop over walls and stuff which I think is a pretty big nerf to her previous mobility.

The rest of the reworks:

Yorick Ryze Taric Shen Rengar Leblanc Maokai Zac Vladimir Malzahar all got ZERO extra dashes when they were reworked.

I think the main issue is with specific champs. Let's take the worst, most poorly designed character in the game at the moment: Talon.

Talon has very high damage, very high wave clear. He can also jump the wall. You literally cannot kill this guy near walls unless you have tons and tons of CC. it is brain dead. You press one button and you live with no counter play. It doesn't require skill whatsoever. It is just absolutely absurd. You could argue the same thing with Leblanc, but Leblanc also has less HP and takes about 20x more skill to play.

How about another utterly brain dead easy champ? How about Zed?

His ult has no counter play outside of hour glass because he's untargettable. On top of that with his shadows he basically has a flash. So he can dive, do free damage and leave before you even touch him. Sure, you might have to play a couple games with him to practice the mechanics, but it's not like you need any significant amount of talent or intelligence. Why does he get so many "get out of jail free" cards? Most champions just have flash. He has flash AND another get out of jail free card.

Honestly I don't understand how you can die even once as Zed and Talon. I play immobile champions in plat/diamond and only die 2-3 times per game on average. How do characters with twice or even more mobility than me even die once? Because they're bad players abusing champions that are absurdly overpowered.

How about the king of no skill Master Yi? Do you even understand how utterly fucking easy it is to avoid all damage using Q as master yi? If your character uses a projectile you're hard countered into oblivion by a champion who takes 5 minutes to master. At least he doesn't have a dash to escape with.

Nobody gives a shit about dashes with severe limitations. Yasuo's dash is annoying, but he's not anywhere near the top of the list of annoying. It's the people who have a second skillless get out of jail free card on their kit with a low cooldown.

How about Fizz? Fizz is so brain dead easy its disgusting. Trickster is basically alpha strike with a slightly more balanced cooldown. So not only does Fizz have flash, he has trickster, and he builds hour glass. How do you even die once as fizz in the entire game? How is it even possible?

I ask this sincerely. I've played since season 1. I like immobile champions. I play Morgana. I play Lux. I play Karthus. I average maybe 2 deaths per game. How the fuck does a fizz ever die? How bad do you have to be to die as a character with that many get out of jail free cards.

RISE Shlack1237/19/2018, 10:31:31 PM4 votes

When people say "mobility creep" or "power creep," they are talking about champions on the average. The trend of mobility and damage, if plotted out on a line graph, is going up the further you move to the right. The trend, regardless of Akali, is that every champion released over the past couple of years has had some form of mobility, juke, or "gtfo" move.

Edit: and it's funny how you leave Pyke out of the conversation. Man is mobility personified.

Spirt Gun Yuske7/19/2018, 9:16:51 PM4 votes

Atrox- 3 mini stuns 2 dashes on e- more Mobile ultimate and old passive in one on R.

Evelyn - Her E is MS buf and Dash when empowered. Has a Charm on top of the mobility and an escape/execute ult.

XIN- Yes no more mobility , but has an additional ranged slow. Which makes other champs more immobile compared to him RIIIGHT? Also xin is one of the champs that ACTUALLY needed a slow he's a 100% auto attack champion.

Galio - Someone has forgotten about his massive ult

Warwick- W Passive speed nuf said

Yeah champions don't seem mobile if you leave out half of their skills and when you leave out half of the hyper mobile champions.

DeusVult7/19/2018, 10:00:56 PM3 votes

Her E dashes her even if it misses people. Its targetless

Her new ult is a targetless dash, and its a double cast.

Old Akali W dash had a small range (270) and a large CD (static 18 sec CD) Her new E dashes her about 350 units, and has a scaling CD of 16-10 seconds. The second cast dash has no range limit, but requires her to hit a target. Her old ult was a targeted dash 700 units long, with 3 charges. Her new ult is two targetless dashes 650-700 units long.

Old akali had a bunch of mobility, but for the most part if she had to run, she was out of luck because she needed enemies to dash to. New akali has about the same mobility but can use her mobility to get away if she needs to. Not only that but her W is now TrUe StEaLTH and is on a seperate skill from her dashes, meaning that she now has 3 tools to possibly use for disengages and defense if she needs to, unlike old akali whose only defensive tool was her W

Automated Riven7/19/2018, 10:01:41 PM3 votes

This is bullshit bb. Akali pre rework had a tiny blink and 3 TARGETED dashes. As in, she could only target enemies. So she was more mobile, however her mobility was restricted.

Now she has three dashes that are completely unrestricted and a 4th dash which can either go to the shroud or an enemy. So yes. She is actually more mobile now then before. However there are niche situations where she is less mobile. (like pentakilling the enemy team)

remakoro7/20/2018, 12:23:57 AM3 votes

Ryze all got ZERO extra dashes when they were reworked.

AHAHAHAHHAHAH No dashes yea. AHAHAHAH Only a small loan of fucking MASS TELEPORTATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Akali previously could only dash onto someone. She clearly GAINED mobility cuz destination for her dashes now aint limited to clickable enemies.

Meep Man7/20/2018, 12:33:50 AM2 votes

I disagree. Her lower cool down E (compared to old W) that also causes her to dash backwards combined with her targetless R is definitely not LESS mobility, albeit perhaps not more either.

Zac Also Zac got his R, so technically he did get an extra dash.

sobi9997/19/2018, 10:05:13 PM2 votes

WTF you're actually missing the point. Mobility creep does not just refers to dashes that can through walls. The rest of the post you just say, "Yes they have been provided mobility but lets face it, it's just a small dash or compare it with a disadvantage it has now that it did not have before".

RIOT has exacerbated mobility creep ages ago and now power creep. Can't you on earth see the small roaster of bursty mobile champs being abused?

Maybe try playing Velkoz and Lux or Xerath or Ziggs. As a mage user, i can say that you probably never play them, so you don't feel the difference when everybody is nuking your spells.

Limrick7/19/2018, 10:07:08 PM2 votes

It's true that old Akali has more dashes on paper, but those dashes are conditional. They require a target. New Akali has two dashes on ult that can go anywhere, her E does a backflip like Cait net, and if she hits someone or her shroud with E, she has a pseudo-dash.

2Charmnot2Charm7/19/2018, 10:31:07 PM2 votes

Akali E doesn't have to hit anything to get her backflip dash, but if she does hit her shroud or a enemy unit with it she can dash to those locations if needed.

Old Akali ult can only be used on enemy units, new Akali ult can be used without having to target something, how does she have less mobility when her new kit has less restrictions on it?

SwiftKitten887/19/2018, 10:44:50 PM2 votes

Akali can follow you through a tp with her dash... it donest have a max range...

she can also kill you can go back to her shroud in 1 button no matter how far away she got from it...

and u say she doesn't have more mobility?

LegitBusinessman7/19/2018, 11:17:46 PM1 votes

You definitely have not watched anyone play her on pbe. You're out your damn mind.

Noor Sakata7/19/2018, 10:11:11 PM1 votes

What? new akali feels like more Mobile , her E is surely one of the best mobility abilities ever , she can use it to dash backward , and hit a jg monster at the same time , so you decide to follow her ? she will press e again to go to that monster , her E is global