How to get your jungler to counter jungle?

Loco Mot1ves·2/20/2016, 6:15:05 AM·2 votes·433 views

How the heck do I get my jungler to cooperate and support me in soloQ when I'm pushing my lane hard and denying the enemy laner CS. Ultimately, it's difficult at low elo to get all the vision you need with one or two Ward's if you have a support. A lot of junglers won't gank or help a pushed lane at low elo and the laners get punished for their positioning.

How do you get across the value of having some protection, especially in bot lane when you are forcing a dangerous position? It feels like a high risk /high reward deal. Should the jungler, knowing you are going to be ganked attack another lane or be in a position to net a kill on the unsuspecting gankee?

7 Comments

VictoryDance962/20/2016, 6:24:36 AM3 votes

If you are pushed up, you really cannot expect to get ganks, or to have the jungler sit in the river bush and watch your back the whole time. If he does not farm or at least gank another lane, he is putting himself WAY behind the other jungler, who probably is not going to gank anyway. Just have some common sense and ward closer to dragon so that you can see the jungler coming sooner and react to it in time.

mogonk2/20/2016, 6:30:54 AM1 votes

9/10 times you're not denying the enemy laner as much cs as you think by pushing. Unless they're incompetent and they don't know how to farm under turret or freeze the wave, all you're doing is making the lane really safe for your opponent and really dangerous for you. If you're going to do that, you're going to get ganked a lot and your jungler is never going to visit your lane, so get used to that.

So you could just get really obsessive about warding and walking into FoW at random times to make it harder to gank you. Or, you know, you could stop hard pushing your lane.

Loco Mot1ves2/20/2016, 6:40:41 AM1 votes

Essentially it just comes down to better vision control. What I want to accomplish is to catch their jungler out of position before he comes into lane and pressure when my jungler is near enough to make it a 3v3 or 3v1 while the enemy laners are under the tower and your backing off enough to have a quick 2v1 if they are coming through river.

Dediguise2/20/2016, 6:59:16 AM1 votes

This the mentality that causes teams to implode. Consider if every lane had the same expectations(as they often do). If all lanes are pushed where should that jungler go? Should he just sit in a bush in 1 of 3 lanes waiting to countergank? That's a 33% chance of success without even factoring the gold and xp loss from it.

You need to remember that this is a team game, and that's better to be the one lane not pushed than to be the only lane pushed. In fact you should never if you place yourself in a 2v3 situation that is entirely your fault not the junglers. If your jungler is already in your lane bush feel free to make yourself as tempting a target as possible, but unless they ping they are coming or are already there don't expose yourself to a possible gank.

GamblerOfLives2/20/2016, 12:55:25 PM1 votes

you are actually right dude. If you have pressure mid and the jungler doesn't take advantage of this,it's his fault. Honestly i only do this if mid has pressure.Counter jungle is the way to win games as jungler;)..but only good junglers know this do this:)

Loco Mot1ves2/20/2016, 7:30:26 PM1 votes

Made some changes to my play style based on this thread and it's paid off in spades. 2 thumbs up.