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So are stats only useful when they support your narrative?

charge attack·10/10/2018, 9:45:15 PM·26 votes·7,832 views

Right? Because I see shit like "champions with mobility give up nothing and are just more mobile".

Really?

Then why does it seem like...

https://i.imgur.com/IzlkATd.png

the top win rate charts are full of immobile champions. If mobile champions can literally do everything and immobile one can - then why are immobile champs even remotely good. Wtf.

Wait.. wtf... where are all these mobile champions...

https://i.imgur.com/VMoX9d9.png

that I keep hearing about... Why aren't they dominating the win rates...

Oh, or maybe mobility/single target damage isn't the only thing important in this game. Maybe immobile champions have power elsewhere in their kits - and having a more forgiving kit doesn't mean shit when you can't have any impact. Yeah sure, you can position worse, but good job - you can be Zed and never die using your mobility while you lose the game cause you don't do anything.

Now imagine if mobile champions actually dominated win rates - you’d constantly see people citing stats. But since stats don’t support it - they are nowhere to be seen.

  • "Mobility champions are higher skillcap."

Umm, why? I thought they were literally as good as immobile champions just with more mobility. How can they have a higher skill cap? Ohhh... thats right. When you lose to a Lee Sin, he's low skillcap/braindead easy/too forgiving - but when it comes to his win rate is low, its cause hes too high skillcap. Ok.

63 Comments

Vekkna10/10/2018, 10:17:22 PM35 votes

Are we ignoring the fact that those top-5 WR champs are literally some of the fastest-moving champs in the game, and one of them has a 3-dash ult?

Also, the frequency of dashy champs at the top of the WR list increases as you filter up through the ranks. Below gold, movespeed is king because peel, kiting, and positioning are all dogshit. By the time you're looking at Challenger, the list is packed full with high mobility/outplay champs.

BlinkZZ18210/10/2018, 9:55:27 PM7 votes

Some mobile champions suck. Some immobile champions suck.

Pandemic Punch10/11/2018, 12:49:46 AM7 votes

Filter it to Diamond+. Then look at win-rates relative to popularity. Then you will find your mobile champions at the top. Even then, Diamond+ includes players who aren't that capable on the high skill cap champions. There is a skill discrepancy between Diamond 3 and Diamond 5, then another between Diamond 1 and Diamond 3.

That said, even low diamond can't skew the high skill-capped champions enough to keep them out of the position for highest efficiency.

Highest efficient win-rate champions in relation to popularity in Diamond+ from the Top Lane = Camille Urgot Jax Irelia Sion Jayce

Jungle: Taliyah Nidalee Camille Graves Jax

Mid Lane: Ahri Leblanc TwistedFate Ekko Talon Fizz

ADC: Kaisa Lucian Draven

Support: Thresh Nami Alistar Rakan Leona

P.S. I didn't list a champion who is below a 50% win-rate even if it is skewed by MASSIVE popularity which would increase the chances of less skilled players using those champions. These champions listed are all around the top 10 most picked in each role while keeping a win rate above 50%. There were a few exceptions like Jax Jungle. He was the 13th most played jungler but still had a 53.2% winrate. This is massive efficiency for a 13th most popular jungler.

jocomotion10/10/2018, 10:50:52 PM7 votes

Haters gonna hate, board posters gotta whine, even if what they’re whining about isn’t even an actual problem. It’s the circle of life.

0DESTROYERZ010/10/2018, 11:36:46 PM6 votes

are we going to ignore the fact that you are looking at the stats for all leagues, and maybe not high elo? LOL

Velzard of Koz10/10/2018, 10:51:49 PM6 votes

Garen has MS boost and slow cleanse, MF has MS boost, Sona has MS boost, Udyr is fast as fuck how would you even miss that, Ahri is mobile, Amumu has dash, Nami has MS boost, I'm gonna list AS as immobile to be generous because he has mild MS boost plus roaming tool, gonna list Sion as immobile because his ult has large cooldown and needs rump up, Rammus fast as fuck yet again, it's trolling to consider him immobile, Jax has jump on relatively low CD, Fizz nough' said, Graves has hard-to-ignore dash, Nocturne MS boost plus extremly large range ult, Blitz MS boost.

From the top listed only Brand, AS, Sion, Taric, Malzahar, Zyra, Anivia, Yorick are truly immobile. That's 8 / 21. LOL? Even in that "list of immobiles at the bottom" it's circa 8 / 21 for immobiles If we are being generous.

Regardless of whether mobile champs sacrifice something or not, I am not sure If you are willing to ignore large MS boost as mobility tool just to prove your point. I suppose Jhin is also extremly immobile like Xerath lmao.

The problem is that If you have slow, delayed, counterable skillshot that you depend on, it's easy for mobile champion to dodge it and fuck up your entire combo while they have free real estate. How do we solve it? By making mobility balanced? Nope we also break Mages to oneshot you in one rotation so you are rewarded by hitting one thing coz that's fun. They buffed Vel'Koz Q AP ratio just so that he would be over-rewarded from one skillshot he chains combo from. And so a balanced champ can go into broken boys club.

This arms race is what gave us both Zoe and Irelia. I am not going to find that acceptable, sorry.

Also you provided no context to your staistic. So yes I am going to ignore it. The fact Kai'Sa is nowhere to be found there should've been a warning.

Auz the Ripper10/11/2018, 12:33:37 AM4 votes

Pubstompy champions having the highest winrate if you include bronze tier? Color me shocked, I never would expected that, it's completely surprising /s

saltran10/10/2018, 10:32:12 PM3 votes

You are all sleeping on all the secrest dashes that MF has noobs !

MrFawknSunshine10/10/2018, 11:00:42 PM3 votes

looks like you pulled this from op.gg which uses stats on the korean server. not all servers combined.

sites like leagueofgraphs.com or lolalaytics.com you can filter by rank, by region/server or combine all.

and win rate on a champ that has no pick or ban rate dont mean alot.

BestPudgeNA10/11/2018, 4:13:35 AM3 votes

stats only useful when they support your narrative? Cherry picks winrate stats from a bogus website and ignores more important stuff like player skill and pick/ban rates

Yikes

Ranmaru10/11/2018, 1:13:24 AM2 votes

Top 15 champs Diamond +

Kaisa

Lucian

Thresh

Leesin

Graves

Irelia

Nami

Yas

Alistar

Gragas

Jhin

Pyke

Urgot

Me: ok

LeftyRaydy10/10/2018, 11:36:51 PM2 votes

Garen - I would not consider immobile since he has a move speed buff on his Q that removes slows, plus he gets free tenacity, armor, and MR Miss Fortune - Strong move speed passive and very high damage output. I would consider immobile though (she deserves it though) Sona - Not exactly mobile but does have move speed buff Ahri - 3 dash ult Udyr - I would not consider him immobile he is very linear though Amumu - immobile(ish) Brand - for a mage has high base move speed 340, but otherwise immobile. he deserves to be though for his damage output Nami - move speed in her passive Aurelion Sol - mobile Sion - tank with damage with a ult that can engage or disengage wouldn't consider that immobile.

Thats just the top 10 I mean Immobile are usually referred to the mages mid like - Lux, Anivia, Malzahar, Velkoz, Annie, Ziggs, Xerath (although he has insane range), Veigar, and so on. I am not sure where you are going with your post, plus what is the win rate parameters is this all elos, because simple champs have a better WR in low Elo (Bronze, Silver) I would look gold or higher for a more fair list of champs.

Critmaster Garen10/11/2018, 5:38:21 AM1 votes

try posting that image for a plat+ mmr range.

garen isnt going to have 53% winrate anymore if you drop bronze, silver and gold from the statistics.