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Yasuo Needs To Be Changed

Vizulix·5/10/2018, 10:17:21 AM·140 votes·27,243 views

Now before I get down voted by all those hard core Yasuo mains who think I should just stop being a scrub and git gud.

I'd like to say that I think Yasuo needs some serious fine tuning. His kit is way too overloaded and he is somehow allowed to be one of the strongest champions in every single phase of the god damn game. He's a giant lane bully, a great mid game fighter, and a late game hyper carry. There's simply no falling off for the guy.

Also for a champion that's supposedly designed to be very hard to pick up, Yasuo has too many safety nets and training wheels. Ultimate putting you outside tower range. Passive shield. Wind wall. Tornadoes recharging in 5 seconds if you miss them.

In addition, CC isn't too effective against him due to his wind wall and high mobility and camping him in the early game doesn't work either since no matter how far you put him behind, as soon as he hits 2 items he'll be shredding through your entire team thanks to conqueror and his passive.

He's had one of the highest ban rates in the game for the last 4 years now and no one really likes playing against him.

So please just do something. To summarize, his kit is overloaded and he has too many safety nets for a supposedly high learning curve champion.

" Bullshit aside Yasuo is a broken champion. People say he's a high skillcap champion, but the secret with Yasuo is knowing how to control yourself while playing such a overpowered champion. Yasuo's weakness comes from the fact that he is too strong. His laning phase is so strong that after the laning phase people do not know how to keep calm and throw the game. "

Dopa Apdo

Edit: Removed ending note because new infinity edge on Yasuo doesn't work like how I thought it would.

Edit 2: Please, if you're going to disagree with me, at least use decent counter arguments instead of just insulting me or saying I don't deserve to talk based on my rank. If you truly believe I don't deserve to talk based on my rank then as a higher elo player, feel free to refute me. You must have a good counter argument right? As due to being a higher elo player you automatically know more than me when it comes to game balance.

249 Comments

ThePikol5/10/2018, 10:34:04 AM93 votes

You know why Yasuo is so stong? Becaus he's constantly in URF mode. No mana and very now cooldowns. That's why he's not picked in URF, because when everyone have these bonuses he auto loses

Netorare5/10/2018, 1:36:21 PM48 votes

The only counter that yasuo has is the player that is playing him.

FrostQueensPlane5/10/2018, 1:04:59 PM41 votes

I've said it before but yasuo isn't a league champion and it's the reason why every single one of his match ups boils down to 1) you get to watch yasuo play his own game and get to do nothing about it or 2) you roll your face at him and have more stats therefore you win. He literally has an ability that shuts down 80% of all other abilities AND auto attacks in the game, like how does anyone at riot think this is healthy is beyond me.

It's the same problem kalista had of just not fitting into league at all and it's generally a problem certainlyt has, or should i say riot has because they don't seem to have any quality control whatsoever, nobody at their HQ seems to have the authority to tell certainlyt NO, THE GAME DOES NOT NEED RNG, STOP GIVING ZOE 20 PASSIVES, THIS ISN'T A FUCKING CALL OF DUTY, NO ONE WANTS TO GET SNIPED FROM 3000 RANGE AWAY AND JUST DIE INSTANTLY.

But here we are

rtbf2234347215/10/2018, 10:32:51 AM41 votes

And this item 3046 for first item is a joke.

+45% attack speed +30% critical strike chance +5% movement speed Passive UNIQUE – SPECTRAL WALTZ: Grants Ghost ghosting and +7% movement speed while within 550 units of a visible enemy champion. UNIQUE – LAMENT: Grants 12% damage reduction against the last enemy champion you basic attacked (lasts for 10 seconds and refreshes with each basic attack).

Cost: 2600

Yaśuo Main5/10/2018, 10:56:45 AM13 votes

Yasuo's weakness comes from the fact that he is too strong. His laning phase is so strong that after the laning phase people do not know how to keep calm and throw the game

well

i dont understand this at all considering yasuo's early game is purposefully garbage
you need to state why he is too strong so maybe this makes sense
even then it still doesn't make sense

So please just do something. To summarize, his kit is overloaded and he has too many safety nets for a supposedly high learning curve champion.

He isn't overloaded, Lee Sin is overloaded. Lee Sin and Camille have built in true damage, healing, hard CC (lee sin has a root before his actual kick on R as well) and a double dash, while Lee still has spellvamp and an execute.

Yasuo has double crit, situational hypermobility, AOE damage and projectile negation.

Now you'll notice he does not have a shitload of stuff that negates his weaknesses like Lee or Camille.

Note: Next patch Yasuo is gonna be terrifying if the new infinity edge stacks with his passive and conqueror. 40% true damage, 100% crit Yasuo at two items.....

well now i know you have no place in talking about yasuo if you think he already didn't hit 100% crit 2 items

conquerer and new IE do less damage together and its not 40% true damage either, AND IE no longer makes crits do 250% its gonna stay 200% damage now.

He is legit going to get gutted next patch wtf are you talking about, especially if he needs damage on his crits to function

Also for a champion that's supposedly designed to be very hard to pick up, Yasuo has too many safety nets and training wheels. Ultimate putting you outside tower range. Passive shield. Wind wall. Tornadoes recharging in 5 seconds if you miss them.

Tornadoes dont recharge by themselves you have to stack them and for that you need an enemy near you 24/7
CC (tornado) is not a god damn safety net
Wind wall is not a safety net its a better Braum wall except the fact that its stationary

could continue more but that's mostly what i wanted to say

note: even yasuo haters say he is balanced right now, 48% winrate with a 10% playrate is perfect. stop trying to fix what isn't broken.

MonarcaVis5/10/2018, 3:22:12 PM12 votes

THE ISSUE WITH YASUO IS HIS KIT.

NO IT ISN'T THE WINRATE, NO IT ISN'T HIS PLAYRATE

IT IS THE KIT

This was submitted 11 meses ago by Bkzkilla2

I will quote some lines:

He said this about his Pasive:

"His double the crit from item passive. I'm sorry straight bullshit this allows Yasuo to reach his power spike with two items. DOES NO ELSE REALIZE CRIT ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL DAMAGES IN THE GAME, the same mechanic that Riot makes sure adc's can not get till late game because of just how strong it is should not be able to just be given away for free."

"This is a huge problem because even if you shut him down in lane it doesn't matter he just needs 2 items and he is just a strong as most champions with 3 or 4."

"It makes you feel so bad to realize wow I shut him down and made him fall so far behind but since he gets double crit and 50% armor shred (That's right 50% armor shred from his ult for 15 seconds that's more than adc's get from Last Whisper items.) from he ult he will still do crazy damage. This begs the question what is even the point of shutting him down if it doesn't do anything? Ever other hyper carry champ is gated by needing a huge amount of gold and multiple items (Vayne, Kog, Twitch, Jax, Fiora etc) but not Yasuo he's get a free shortcut like were playing CandyLand over here because of passive that simple breaks item balance in the game."

This about his Q:

"I'm going to be honest here this ability isn't really an issue."

About his W Windwal:

"If this is thrown down in a teamfight the other team can not do anything." "...this ability stop's champions ultimate's (were talking champions whose kit's are balanced around there ult get fucked by one ability people like Rumble(yeah it stop's his ult) is a perfect example, sej ult, varus ult etc etc) just about anything from going through it, this ability single handily negates the adc existing in the game,..." "Yasuo's Windwall takes away whole champions kit's,..."

His E Sweeping Blade:

"So minions are in every lane where Yasuo is played and this ability allows Yasuo to just dash around like Disney on Ice when they are present. 6 minions show up congrats Yasuo now has 6 dash's." "This ability is a pain in the ass because there is also no clarity on it. You can't see the little cool down circle on the minion's only he can. How does Riot expect anyone let alone low elo players to remember which minions he dashed to first and keep 6 mental timers going, while having to look at the mini map and last hitting etc."

"But wait there's more here each dash gives more damage to the next one, and guess where people try to stand behind in lane that's right there minions (who would have guessed this /s) So now it does even more to you because on his way to hit you with that drive by E it's like he picked up hollow point rounds just getting a little more free damage on you. Oh and the free passive shield gets to charge up every time he E's because he's moving so this is even more of hidden benefit to the ability."

And His Ultimate Last Breath:

"So again this ultimate has some good balance but one really stupid extra passive. This ultimate is gated by needing a knockup, so he either needs to stack his Q 3 times or somebody on his team needs to knock them up." "What isn't ok is the passive armor shred for 15 seconds after using it."

I recommend you to read it all on reddit.

Pika Fox5/10/2018, 8:52:28 PM8 votes

Yasuo is a melee adc hypercarry... Of course his kit is going to be very strong with lots of tools to save himself if he plays well, he needs them to function in a glass canon build.

Humble Aatrox5/10/2018, 5:59:26 PM7 votes

Renekton Darius Akali Fizz Kayle Diana Vladimir Garen Camille Pantheon Jayce TahmKench Mordekaiser Whats a "yasuo"

RyzeRework5/10/2018, 1:24:01 PM6 votes

Yasuo fails against fighters and juggernauts and most adcs can kite him if they’re good he’s strong against most mages but Zyra and lux and malz and xearth will fuck him up? You gotta think what beats wind walls and who can deal with him when he’s on them not just omg Yasuo op. That way of thinking is why people are low elo

SkeltzAlukard5/10/2018, 8:09:46 PM6 votes

Whenever someone makes a thread about Yasuo im gonna paste their division and winratio

OP: Silver 2 0 LP / 160W 136L Win Ratio 54%

Also, you've been Bronze3 0 lp last season and now you've got 54% WR in silver 2. That$ $urely a huge improvement ! Good job ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$)

Azadethe5/10/2018, 4:51:16 PM6 votes

The biggest problem with Yasuo is his abuse of Shields. He generally always has at least 2 shields (passive and item 3072 ) , and on top of that, item 3046 reduces opponents' abilities to reduce chip through those shields.

His passive, RESOLVE: Yasuo generates a Flow stack for every 59 / 52 / 46 units he travels by any means. At 「 100 stacks 」 and upon taking champion or monster damage, Yasuo consumes all Flow to shield himself for 100 - 510 (based on level) for up to 1 second.

..... Charges so fast he can use it 2-3 times per skirmish, and while players are chipping through it, his item 3072 shield is charging.

And then vs Mages..... of whom are his primary counters, he also has Nullifying Orb and item 3156 , which at low life even puts him up to 30% Life steal, and offers 1-2 more MAGIC damage shields.

I even had a Yasuo take item 3190 the other day for ANOTHER shield, because his core 3 items, item 3031 item 3072 item 3046 .... are just all he needs with his current Q and E cooldown scalings......

He doesn't even need to build CDR items..... What other champ in the game gets 1.33 second spams that reset auto attacks, without CDR?

Let me put it this way:

I can SOLO the current Baron with Yasuo without taking a SINGLE point of damage, because I can Shield my way through the entire fight.

And it's not just Yasuo......

item 3072 is why Jinx and a few other adcs are just unkillable but kill YOU when they trip their special features. When excited, it's almost impossible to exist in Jinx's range when she has a , because she's putting out 900 damage per hit, healing up about 400-500 per hit, and most of that is OVERHEALING into a reserve, so people rarely even dip into her HP.

If Riot nerfed the on hit shield access, or Yasuo's own shield, he'd be far more manageable.

Skorch5/10/2018, 2:20:57 PM5 votes

The main reason i hate posts like these are the plain: "He is overloaded rework him" You can replace Yasuo with any champion and the outcome is the same. Someone doesnt LIKE a champion, so they want them reworked (aka removed, but removed has a negative stigma.)

Just permaban him. People point to his permabanning as a reason why he is "confirmed overpowered" I permaban leblanc, but you dont see me run around talking about how her kit is so overloaded. I just hate fighting her. Just cause more people perma him just means that a large amount of people DONT LIKE fighting him.

LuthianDelphi5/10/2018, 9:16:53 PM5 votes

Remove q cool down scaling with AS Remove W giving vision remove E damage scaling with each cast And remove R resetting passive Doing that would make him a lot more fair to play against without nerfing the people learning the champ and slapping the ones who are god tier at him on the wrist

D357R0Y3R5/10/2018, 1:02:04 PM4 votes

i liked when dopa said that ryze was garbage too

kek

TheGreatNinx5/10/2018, 8:47:50 PM3 votes

Note to the OP: Two it isn't that good anymore. 40% damage of that damge is true 135 (since it needs two Zeals items now) ad. (Note: I.E No longer gives crit chance in 8.11) Not mention he still has 10% crit damage reduction. So he won't be as good and anyone building item 3143 will straight cuck him

Vonyalo5/11/2018, 1:40:28 PM3 votes

This game is cancer as a whole. Changing one champ won't make a difference

Saezio5/10/2018, 3:42:07 PM3 votes

http://prntscr.com/jg6q6v Explain this then? This is KR Diamond+. And its the same in any D+ elo. You are just bad at dealing with him. His tornado can be dodged EVERY TIME it is so slow. He has negative winrate even in platinum elos around the world. So yeah get good PS: I don't even play it.

NorthernRedStar5/11/2018, 1:40:25 AM2 votes

He's definitely feeling on the oppressive side again after the recent changes (Conqueror, itemization, tabi nerf, etc.)

Also, I'd take anything Dopa says at face value. The man's not called one of the best players of all time for no reason. Even if scrubs of all kinds want to denote him.

BiochemicalZombi5/11/2018, 3:16:12 AM2 votes

I how you act like your going to get downvoted by a shit ton of yasuo mains where there’s more silver players who don’t know how to play against yasuo then there are yasuo mains xd

He has a 49% wr Plat+ he’s just really good without to much skill low because no one knows how to counter him...

Or maybe all yasuo above plat are bad and everyone below platinum is smurfing who knows

IdveYsUfSK5/11/2018, 5:59:43 AM2 votes

The problem with yasuo is he needs to be one shotted(chain cc and burst down) at all times, . If you let him dash around more than twice, hes very likely going to outplay you. Low elo players are usually struggling to play their own champs. Usually consistently failing basic combos or cc/skillshots. Thats where yasuo finds room to make plays and faceroll them. As a yasuo main I do find his kit to be unfair to bad players. His e should be changed to have some setup required, like only reset on kill or reset on auto. Im sad that brainlessly spamming e and smart uses of e have very little difference, which means you can play him poorly and not get punished. Also missing q's isnt even a big deal most cases with how riot overtunes attack speed over the years. Its way too cheap now. Compared to other champs who miss their main damage source yasuo isn't punished as hard. Contrary to riot/casual belief, yasuo has a extremely low skill floor, easy to pick up and play well with. But is actually hard to play extremely well, high skill ceiling. Its harder now due to more champs being able to oneshot now with damage creep.

Power Cosmic5/12/2018, 4:07:06 PM2 votes

I agree, he is not risky enough for the reward of his scaling.

SmallCheeseCake5/10/2018, 10:35:49 PM2 votes

Dopa said that a LONG TIME AGO before Yasuo's laning got nerfed hard, if you look at recent interviews, he thinks Yasuo is easy to beat as TWISTED FATE of all champions to fight Yasuo with... Yasuo's ult is literally a suicide button late game, he does less damage than adcs late game and has less range, his only real way to damage you is to use Q and auto's but dodging his Q isn't that hard.