"Laning phase is so boring right now" ~ Controversial Opinion Incoming

I Q·4/16/2018, 10:41:51 PM·17 votes·8,257 views

Riot gave you what you asked, maybe not you, but the community.

You asked for Assassins and any playable fighters mid to be nerfed.

You asked for champions like Darius and Renekton to not be stompy

You asked for champions like LeeSin and Nidalee to be nerfed, when they were prominent for "so long" Not saying they weren't prominent, but they are gank heavy junglers that force early game plays

You asked for invis to be nerfed, so champions like Shaco and Evelynn got reworked or nerfed because they dealt "too much damage after coming out of invis"

You said champions like Yasuo and Zed were too overpowered, and that their laning was toxic.

You said that mages like Syndra and ADCs like Lucian could be too agro when they were good midlane and bottom

You said that champions like Fizz and Ekko dealt too much damage, and were too hard to avoid

You said champions like Pantheon were to good early game, despite being actual garbage lategame

You said champions like Blitzcrank need power pulled out of their main abilities, despite them being able to force plays on people who play safe

You said AurelionSol and Katarina roams are too overpowered for their lategame potential, and they make playing agro too hard because you get caught, or dove because you were too low.


All of these are examples of what could be considered unhealthy qualities about champions, that were hated. In a good number of these examples the champions were nerfed accordingly. But do you see what all of these champions have in common? They start fights, and have the ability to win those fights

They were able to start fights on otherwise safe and farm heavy players, and this caused outrage.

People don't like getting stomped in laning, they'd rather have a chance outside of laning. They'd rather play safe and get stomped lategame because they finally made one mistake, and that mistake costs them loads.

The thing about people playing safe in lane is that there is no way to punish them without dives anymore without simply being better than them at playing safe.

Most if not all of the problems with League right now can be directly correlated with Assassins and early game champions being nerfed

"ADCs are too strong, they scale and just fuck our team up, and the entire team is just built around protecting them" - This was a problem earlier this year and late last year, this could easily have been solved by allowing early game champions to actually be a threat to ADCs and Mages

"The tank meta toplane is so cancer, why is it that we need to pick tanks just to protect ADCs?" - Assassins can't kill ADCs without being gloriously ahead, or if an ADC walks into an Assassin alone. Even in these scenarios, there can still be trouble. If ADCs can't be killed by Assassins or fighters, it is just better to peel for them. Also, because fighters were nerfed, playing a safe tank toplaner is much safer than picking a fighter.

"Supports are so damn strong wth, legit every item is overloaded with them!" - It's because ADCs were complaining about being killed, and now Assassins can't kill them when their supports are there. This caused riot to not only buff ADCs, but also their itemization and support itemization.


These are a few examples where Assassins and Fighters becoming vialbe could be the solution.

I'm not saying it is the only solution, or that they should be able to kill ADCs without a second thought from behind, but what I am saying is:

Nerfing these champions makes it so making one mistake costs you the entire game. It's just that simple.

When the entire game is about playing safe, and when champions that play agro are in the minority, you have no way to make a play on an enemy team with a gold lead. You can't have a Zed catch out and kill an alone head ADC because "I'm 4/1 as cait, a 2/2 Zed shouldn't be able to oneshot me!!!!"

Without champions that can make plays on a key target, the game becomes a state of "Which Key Target becomes the key target"

Now adays when the enemy gets a lead, you just play passive and hope that they fuck up

With characters like Zed on the enemy team, it is possible to force someone to make a mistake by simply zoning them into a bad position. Because no matter what, a Zed should pose a threat to an ADC. Because that is his ONLY Use

These champions trade their lategame for their strong early game, and aslong as the community forces their Early game to be average, then ADCs will always be meta. And ranged ADCs will always be meta, because it's easier to play safe as a ranged ADC, then a melee one.


I believe that the solution to the stuck meta is making champions that are aggressive good early game to the point where you should need to put resources midlane to keep a mage afloat. If the mage is able to stay afloat, then the Assassin deserves to lose.

The game should be based on Who can predict and punish mistakes better not Who can make less mistakes.

If you balance the game around making less mistakes, you essentially reward playing safe 100% of the time except when you have a massive lead mid-lategame.

23 Comments

T4underbolt4/17/2018, 5:26:39 AM7 votes

Let me explain why are you wrong. First it's noobs and casuals crying that they can't win laning phase while they want to farm safely. For a champions now.

  1. Some assassins needed just little tweaks and that could be done easily.

  2. Darius is so retarded that I'm actually thinking what the hell are you talking about. Renekton while not a top tier pick he has more agency that he had before conqueror (and before he had basically close to no impact on the game)

  3. lee can still be effective early. And so can be nidalee. It's other junglers that need nerfs and overshadow Lee and nida with their power.

  4. Eve can be played well. And about shaco. Are you another shaco main?is this thread just a cover to ask for buffs for a champ that is currently too strong and has close to no counterplay?

  5. Yasuo is still too strong. Zed on the other hand just needed little tweaks. Nowadays he is useless outside of lane because even if 10/0, an underleveled behind support with heals and shields can nullify his whole combo.

  6. Syndra still has the problem of having both poke and nukes. She still is able to miss 90% of her skillshots and then nearly 100-0 you with ultimate. I don't understand why it is forgotten. Because other champs mid are stronger? Just because something else is too strong it doesn't mean something else isn't toxic to play against as well. Lucian had too much power in the mid lane. In ADC role he was fine.

  7. Fizz and ekko were dealing too much DMG. No doubt about that. Fizz still can 100-0 with dorans ring at lvl 6. Ekko still has a toxic pattern of go in process passive run with huge ms boost to avoid any fight back. And if you fk up press r. Also wave clear otherwise if you.cant attack too much.

  8. Pantheon is one of the most toxic early game champs that leave no counterplay. Giving champ everything point and click with such huge base DMG and scaling will never end well.he doesn't need to do anything great to force you out of lane. He just presses one button every few seconds.

  9. All blitzkrank needed was taking away base DMG from his abilities. He was fine as a counter to safely playing lanes but having just kindlegem and targon shields and 100-0 a squishy with combo is not healthy at all. Riot nerfed/changed wrong aspects while all he needed was numbers tweaks.

  10. Katarina was an anoying piece of sht able to do nearly everything. Imagine xerath having capabilities to roam effectively. Not so fun. I don't know when did you see complains about aurelion. If anything he could have used some early game wave clear nerfs and that's it.

ShroomsAndSpells4/16/2018, 11:00:02 PM6 votes

No they didn't, they just powercreeped counters, then gave compensation buffs to their victims, which then warranted more powercreeping because the ones that counter them are falling behind again, and then so on and so forth.

Riot isn't doing what players want, they're just fucking around doing whatever they please while so called "mains" applaud them for dropping the newest FoTM bullshit into their meta-slave laps.

Khristophoros4/17/2018, 12:24:18 AM4 votes

As a Vel'Koz main I would love to fight people but not when their kit gives them insane priority over me in fights. Like if I am against a Zed I am just going to waveclear because it's the only option. His kit is safe and he automatically wins 1v1 against me. He can force an engage at any time he wants so my strategy is to farm up as fast as I can and save everything I have for when he does try to force an engage.

The best strategy for a mage like Vel'Koz in most matchups is to passively waveclear because of all these popular champs with "outplay mechanics" that make them basically untouchable unless they make a mistake. The only way to force out a mistake is to pressure them with waveclear until they do.

If I'm against some other mage I might actually let it push back to me so I can try and go for a kill. But I am not going to actively look for that against teleporting/dashing assassins and shit.

Handin Out Naps4/16/2018, 11:40:45 PM2 votes

Get aurelion sol out of there, he is just another endless waveclear mid laner. On another note people just constantly complained about wanting better defensive choices so people legit just go resolve and waveclear. The only fun you ever have mid lane is in assassin vs assassin matchups, but why do that when I can just go insiration/resolve Twisted fate, waveclear and just ult to win side lanes. Wew mid lane is fun btw.

Sasogwa4/17/2018, 10:19:00 AM2 votes

We need real lanebullies that really fall off, but Riot has a too forgiving mentality, they want everyone to not feel bad, so they soften lanebullies early power and buff their lategame potential, also itemization can easily cover most things. Like Pantheon could just go one lethality item into BC into tanky stuff and be somewhat relevant. His base damage will be amplified by those items and he'll be fine. Definitely not strong, but not hot garbage either. Funnily enough, I think the game was much more easy to balance when itemization was lackluster, in earlier seasons. We didn't have crazy synergies with on-hit stuff (botrk rageeblade), lethality, BC usable on any physical damage proc, mage itemization was less diverse as well, ADC itemization was basically BT IE PD LW and nothing else, no ER, no runaan's, no statikk, no rapidfire, no mercurials, no botrk. You had no waveclear in your kit -> you had no waveclear. Limited itemization made the kits more relevant. Which meant lanebullies could be balanced around shitting on you in laning phase, as long as itemization was outright bad on them, they scaled like shit and everyone was happy. QSS could be built to counter a kit like warwick's but at the same time it costed a slot and it kinda sucked to have one slot consumed for QSS in a 6 item scenario. Actual drawback to taking it. Most assassins could oneshot adc's and that was fine, GA or banshee's was basically in the core build of an ADC. You don't take one means you're trolling cause you get oneshot. But you were actually pretty fat once you were full build and had one of those (these were pretty damn good 1-defensive-item wonders) Well shit it was actually healthier cause it meant they couldn't go 6 damage items.

ZJD1234/17/2018, 2:30:39 AM1 votes

I agree with most of the post but I think you completely misunderstood how Yasuo works. He is not at all like zed, infact they are opposites. Zed goes 5-0 every game but then loses. Yasuo goes 0-5 and then hits his 0-6 powerspike and carries the game. Not sure how you would call yasuo an early game champion. You should have used Talon as an example with zed , that would make more sense cause talon was actually gutted for the exact reasons you mentioned.

FlameadoDeKoorvo4/17/2018, 12:04:13 PM1 votes

Not boring, predictable.

Picks decide lanes more than ever before.

And that is annoying because snowball is harder than ever before. Now all lanes feel like old days in a vs Riven lane where you know a early gaem mistake will punish you.

Fun fact? Nowadays Riven is more easy to stop than other champs which do not need to have this snowball potential.

ShiniXII4/17/2018, 4:40:17 PM1 votes

wanted shaco and eve nerfed because they one shot you out of stealth and nothing has changed, he can literally press q with a duskblade and fuck you up for no reason