"Runeglaive is a weaker Magus"

Terchio·6/13/2015, 5:48:07 PM·7 votes·2,543 views

Do any of you actually get Magus? You lose 40 AP and 10 CDR. That's a Fiendish Codex, plus 10 AP, about 1k worth. And in return, you get a full-on Spellblade effect with the same stats as Lich Bane's, only .3 AP ratio instead of .5, but it's AoE instead, plus it has a free Sapphire Crystal to boot. All this for jungle, which is mostly full of AP champions that cast quickly! Oh, and let's not forget the inherent mana regen.

Seriously, I'm thinking of getting this for my jungle Ashe build. It's that gud.

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Bern6/13/2015, 8:04:37 PM8 votes

There are a couple of issues with Runeglaive.

A) It feels bad to buy a unique passive that's worse than an item with another form of that unique passive without a major upside. Runeglaive lacks that upside. Junglers that need mana sustain can just buy Ranger's.

B) It's very slot inefficient. Magus+Ranger's is only really slot inefficient relative to morello's, and the magus enchant itself is actually -more- gold efficient than Morello's.

C) It's not going to improve AP jungler clear significantly enough to be worthwhile. The issue with most every unplayed AP jungler is the initial clear, which is long before this item is useful.

D) The junglers people are hailing this item as good for (Diana, Akali, etc.) are legitimately bad junglers that won't get played. Diana has no gank pressure pre-6 and Akali has no gank pressure at all. A different jungle item doesn't help this.

E) It's an overall nerf from Magus+Ranger's in stats.

F) I'm pretty sure the proc does less single-target damage after you combine than with just sheen in some cases. Not positive, but I think it's in that awkward area where the item has so little AP that you might actually get less dmg immediately after the combine.

CrazedPorcupine6/13/2015, 9:09:47 PM5 votes

Except it does nothing to actually help AP junglers. AP junglers need lots of gold in order to gain the AP they need to be relevant, but the jungle income is not high enough to do so. This means that Runeglaive does absolutely nothing to help AP junglers out. Diana can already jungle just fine without issues with mana, and so can several others if they upgrade to trailblazer.

Magus was good because it provided really valuable stats to AP jungles, and only suffered from a lack of mana regen. Magic pen, 20% CDR, and 80 AP was all freaking incredible and powerful.

Runeglaive doesn't give enough AP to be worth taking and is an inferior lichbane. Lichbane gives MS, 80 AP, and a superior spell-blade passive. 40 AP is so incredibly slot inefficient. No one takes any AP item that gives less than 60 AP. Hell, even liandry's isn't built anymore because it's not cost effective or slot efficient. When Grail's AP was nerfed as well as it's mana regen, EVERYONE immediately swapped over to morellonomicon because it was cheaper, gave more AP and more mana regen.

Runeglaive is a trap item and will need to be buffed up insanely to be worth considering.

Skia Asteri6/13/2015, 6:51:32 PM5 votes

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I rather have Magus, because it is better if you are not going to stack AP.

Pragz6/13/2015, 6:24:21 PM3 votes

AP junglers don't have problems clearing the jungle beyond their first clear(s). The AP and CDR is more important because AP junglers typically have issues contributing to team fights due to the lower gold flow. It takes more gold to be a powerful squishy mage than it does to be a powerful tanky bruiser. This spellblade effect just makes the item a poor choice for team fighting. Maybe if you're playing an AP skirmisher in the jungle you'll pick this up. Otherwise, the best option is going to be getting an upgraded Smite then selling it later on for a 6th item.

Erockandroll6/13/2015, 6:34:00 PM2 votes

RuneGlaive isn't going to be a first item Spike, but a second one. This is because a) your losing the AP for the extra mana sustain and spell blade passive. and b) because you have those 2 things, you can rush a Luden's/Deathcap/etc next. And have tons of power. It simply allows you to rush your power items.

Focus Teemo6/13/2015, 10:48:35 PM2 votes

Runeglaive nerfs jungle mages namely Fiddle, while it buffs AP fighters(Early game at least). It also hilariously enough benefits AP XinZhao Warwick Tryndamere and Rengar more than legit options lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVWMAgErKOA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vQ1gdKPpjQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5-lWzohDxk AP troll build hype!

thinking man6/14/2015, 3:45:56 AM2 votes

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Seriously, I'm thinking of getting this for my jungle Ashe build. It's that gud.

if you're not lying then idk why anybody's taking this thread seriously

WarlockLaw6/13/2015, 7:54:15 PM1 votes

Actually this enchant gives half as much ap as lich bane and less mana as well. The problem with this and magus both is that late game I'm just to sell either for a strictly better item. Hell with magus gone I'm pretty sure fiddle will go back to dorans ring start because he wants raw ap more than spell blade