Listen guys, why don't you cool it for new players

FlaminMoe·11/19/2014, 11:11:58 PM·30 votes·7,708 views

Like I was just playing a level 3 game on the LAN server and there's this player that's obviously new against this player that's obviously a skilled player. (9/0 at 12 minutes?)

I told him to chill and that they won't want to play if they keep getting destroyed but of course he didn't listen.

I try to cool down, give them an advantage once in a little while.Maybe you guys should do the same. I mean if I was getting destroyed every game I wouldn't want to come back either.

102 Comments

Gallowgrim11/19/2014, 11:58:48 PM16 votes

Anyone here play Champions Online?

"I have a right to smash noobs to bits without relenting and show how mighty my e-peen is!" was the battle cry of the PvP set.

PvP is deader than deader than dead on CO.

It may not seem a real issue, but eventually word gets out and eventually an end to the influx of new blood will end a game.

Original poster has my support. Those opposing it have my sympathies and my polite suggestion that they get out more.

Unclesatan11/19/2014, 11:13:50 PM12 votes

i agree when i'm in a new level account i make sure to do something stupid and get myself killed. it doesn't really teach the new players things, except maybe when to take advantage of someone doing something stupid.

I give people a chance, but i also don't give them complete mercy

i also offer to teach them things

disembodiedsoul11/20/2014, 1:46:16 AM9 votes

Man I love this post, and I agree, it's like taking candy from a baby then punching them in the face. Let's atleast just give them a good challenge and a reason to play again (new players.)

SexyTaylorSwift11/20/2014, 12:16:58 AM6 votes

I agree. I don't try hard at all on the one smurf I made, unless some dude is trying to steam roll a lane, then I switch lanes and make him realize that he is bronze for a reason.

The one thing I really hate is when someone makes a smurf, then rages at the bad players. Like, are you really that unintelligent that you didn't know you would be playing with mostly bad players when you created that new account?

Direwolfiez11/20/2014, 7:21:50 AM6 votes

We are literally talking about a better player playing the game as it's intended against a weaker player.

Except it's not intended at that level. You never see highly-skilled sports teams going and forming a recreational team just to screw with the other rec teams, so why do you think the equivalent is okay in LoL?

Byrnes11/20/2014, 5:17:46 AM5 votes

All I ever really ask of smurfs are that they stop trying so damn hard with their picks - I'm so tired of seeing 30/1/23 Akalis against brand new players. And if you are good and smurfing, you might as well take the opportunity to help people learn (besides what they learn from a good butt kicking).

Xypey11/19/2014, 11:14:12 PM4 votes

if a player goes 0/9/0 at 12 minutes I honestly do not want them to come back....they cant learn after the first few deaths to hug a turret.

Fishy Mango11/19/2014, 11:15:17 PM4 votes

Why should anyone stop destroying someone? How the fuck are you supposed to learn if you're winning/doing well all the time? THe people who never get crushed are the ones sitting in bronze/silver claiming they don't deserve to be there.

Antonidas111/20/2014, 12:40:47 AM4 votes

I usually tend to go easy on Smurf account too, but if I see they have more than one smurf on their team who is taking advantage of the new people on my team I'll usually start to try, and I'll talk to my team through out the game and give them advice and to follow up on me when I engage so I can purposely target the other smurfs and take them out of the fight then let my team finish up the fight ( I've even started playing champs that I main like akali on smurf account because I'm constantly running into smurfs who take advantage of newer people and it annoys me ). I won't snowball lane instead I'll usually just farm it ( unless I have a smurf to deal with ) and watch the other lanes to see if there are any smurfs on their team who are abusing new players and if there are I'll give my teammates advice and then roam to those lanes constantly and shut the smurfs down permanently.

5G8Nri0B5411/20/2014, 1:19:03 AM4 votes

Because holding back a punch is totally what you do in a competitive game.

I'm sure in an MMA match, it is totally a common practice for players with an advantage to allow their opponent a free action before engaging themselves.

they won't want to play if they keep getting destroyed but of course he didn't listen.

If they're getting steamrolled, it's not the fault of the better player.

However, if they get steamrolled and quit like a baby, THEN it becomes their fault.

The correct thing to do isn't to ragequit, but learn from their failures and improve from them.

Not to mention,** what exactly is holding back punched supposed to achieve?** Are they going to LEARN anything if you roll over and intentionally give them opportunities to fight you? What does it do be coddle the kid until he plays the next match against a real player who likely won't show that same kind of coddling behavior?

A piece of coal doesn't become a diamond through gentle rubs and strokes. It needs intense force to temper it into one.

I am Madlife11/20/2014, 4:11:38 AM4 votes

In my opinion, I completely agree with you. Some people who are smurfing are complete d!cks.. I apologize for the language, but I believe that is necessary. Some players need to learn that they also were new players learning how to play the game, and I think that back then, there weren't as many people who are raging at new players now. Yes, you might think this is how they learn, but imagine them on a scale, having them liking the game somewhat, and disliking it a little, but your rant against them tips that scale over, into the dislike, and they might not get the full experience of league because of the comment that you thought would help them learn. If you want to help them learn, just say it in normal chat, no need to call people feeders or what not, as just about everyone that is new to League and most games like League, well die a lot. There is no way to stop that except by just having them learn, and they wont learn if you rage.

I'm sorry for this rant, but I had to get it off my chest since I have seen it way to often, and had a lot of my friends leave because of it.

FyshinaTux11/20/2014, 6:56:07 AM4 votes

"smurf" is the key word here.

There is no reason that a Diamond player should be playing low level games, that's why they're diamond.

If you read my earlier reply to this thread (not a reply to you), you'll see that I don't particularly like smurf accounts (despite having one myself for ping reasons #EastCoastPing) for the fact that it's demoralizing to play against smurfs for new players. Oh, and let's not forget, I sure as hell don't want a Diamond player in my Gold V ranked games (not as common, but just as aggravating.)

So, in reference to what you said/asked, no, playing the game is NOT inherently toxic. Smurfing on the other hand, can be perceived as extremely toxic in that it demoralizes new players into not wanting to play anymore (has potential to do this).

Wallymarts11/20/2014, 1:27:44 AM3 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxTF8q25au8

Dehorn11/20/2014, 5:12:19 PM3 votes

no. learning the game from a bot or a bad player just creates more bad players. you only get better by playing people better than you.

tau4311/20/2014, 6:00:29 AM3 votes

If ranked or Draft Pick, no mercy.

If play on my humbling account then yeah, I hold back unless they give me a reason not to (toxic, dickish, unusually good, etc.).

There are times I don't know if telling them something would be considered dickish or not. Like an Eve a few games ago, I don't think she knew her invis had a detection range or not, but she was actually making an effort.

FyshinaTux11/20/2014, 4:57:37 AM3 votes

Personally, I think Riot needs to do what Korea did with their server, all the other servers: require SSN (or the region's equivalent) to create an account. I made an LAN account because I'm in Florida and get substantially better ping there, but to be honest... I mostly just play bots in order to avoid doing exactly this.

Then there's the fact that half the PvP games I HAVE played, have had Diamond smurfs from NA that completely annihilated my team (I'm Gold V at the moment). When you have a skilled (ish, I know gold isn't really that skilled...) player getting stomped in the majority of lvl 8 PvP matches, maybe it's time to make some restrictions.

Let's be real for a minute, Queue dodging penalties are there to PREVENT queue dodging. How many streamers have you seen that go "oh, I'll just dodge this and play on my smurf since I didn't get to play what I wanted/what my viewers wanted"?

I've got 1 smurf that I know the login info for (on LAN), and a main account on NA, and quite frankly, I don't think smurfs should be allowed, they're not healthy for new players that have to deal with them, and the fact that the queue dodge penalty can be negated by having a few smurfs can't be overlooked either.

my 2 cents

trexmixG11/20/2014, 1:02:57 AM3 votes

I disagree with this, to some extent. When I started league, all of my friends were rank 25-30, and I often did pvp with them. Because of this, I got decimated for the first week I had the game. I always lost lane and fed, but I was learning. I think the biggest thing here is that someone shouldn't handicap themselves to make someone else feel good. The best way to learn is by analyzing your mistakes, and I think you learn more from a lost game.

YveItaI11/20/2014, 9:44:11 PM2 votes

Here is what i'm getting from this thread.

There are people (such as Op and some other commenters) who want new players to be able to strive and learn through playing, and thus keeping the game alive.
There are people who want nothing but to show how much of an alpha they are in their herd of sheep.

The whole idea of someone who is knowledgeable in game and then going back to low levels just to stomp new players is so low. Why is it fun to literally crush the fun out of someones experience to a new game? Might as well go play bots, you can both show how much you love to try and stomp, and not hurt anyone.

5G8Nri0B5411/20/2014, 3:57:19 AM2 votes

Of course losing (generally) isn't fun.

That's why you get better so you lose less in the future.

Here's the the thing.

I was new to MOBA's at one point too! And I too lost games and they weren't fun! But rather than going drama queen and quitting because I lost a few games, I practiced until I got better and lost less.

This applies to ALL sports, games, and literally anything. Being coddled does nothing but boost an ego and make you think you are better than how you really are.