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To everyone screaming for Darius/Illaoi nerfs

A Ocean·7/31/2016, 1:37:38 PM·72 votes·6,527 views

So, after reading a bunch of comments where people said they got "tons of hate" for saying Darius and Illaoi need nerfs, I had to write this post.

Let me tell you a story. When Illaoi came out, we all know she was pretty underpowered until Patch 6.9 where she got some changes. I decided to main her from day 1 and had literally 70% winrate in the first 3 weeks. After these 3 weeks were over and I had accumulated lots of downvotes here for saying that she is actually balanced, the tides started to turn and I suddenly went below 50% winrate because people had learned the single most important thing about playing against Illaoi.

DODGE HER GODDAMN TENTACLES.

If you're jumping at a Darius, fight with him until he has 4 stacks, then get pulled in and ulted, it's not Riot's fault because "omg darius so op fucking 1k true dmg". It's entirely your fault because the key when playing against a juggernaut is to KNOW he has that retarded fuckton of damage. Learn to avoid it, poke them down and kite them to hell. Darius won't get to you if you don't want him to. If you have to kill them, focus them 5v1, but never ever 1v1 them.

Juggernauts may be freelo against bad players, but they're not OP. If you think they are, keep in mind that you can't play against them like you would versus any other champion. If you force yourself to play safe above all else, they only become a minor annoyance.

314 Comments

Kingnewgameplus7/31/2016, 2:28:05 PM76 votes

Just dodge her tentacles. Just dodge zed's q. Just dodge darius q. Just dodge ekko's q. See where that logic gets us? And I'm not even hating on illaoi or thinks that she's op, but the "Just dodge x ability" argument is just stupid to me.

Penns7/31/2016, 1:54:01 PM26 votes

https://i.gyazo.com/45cfeff18d1e81787c02746797a0c943.gif I wish it was that easy lel

Roit Gums7/31/2016, 2:10:43 PM20 votes

It isnt easy as it sounds to dodge tentacles....you will understand when you play against her

PaladinNO7/31/2016, 4:48:06 PM11 votes

Juggernauts may be freelo against bad players

And that about sums it up.

"Kited they must be, if want to live you do." http://img.cinemablend.com/cb/d/2/2/1/4/7/d22147c71c1e53d6f3344a0f8709c4023b59653e6f5fed733f333a83b19b6ac7.jpg

TheOvermind7/31/2016, 1:57:25 PM11 votes

Late game a load of people 1v1 juggernauts very easily. When're late game hypercarries get rolling like tryndamere jax , yi , and fiora, they will wreck darius and illaoi. Illaoi though has a pretty good chance to burst them down with ultimate and 3+ tentacles. Here's the thing , jax can legit q out and reangage once ult is gone. It's that easy. Yet no one does this. They try to fight her through her ultimate and then wonder why they got obliterated.

The Yetii Rider7/31/2016, 2:05:35 PM11 votes

The main issue with Darius is that 36% missing health healing is a lot. Darius, more than any other champion, can get away with building straight health and practically no resistances. Even Mundo and Volibear need some armor along with that Spirit Visage. Darius just builds straight juggernaut with Spirit Visage and he can't get assassinated.

Illaoi is fine.

Ariel the Cruel7/31/2016, 3:11:26 PM9 votes

Learn to avoid it, poke them down and kite them to hell. Darius won't get to you if you don't want him to.

JarvanIV Malphite Nautilus Shyvana Trundle "Kite Darius" Rammus Ok.

My problem with Darius is that his counter-play boils down to "Don't get close". Which is pretty damn hard with a melee champion; especially when he plants his happy ass in the middle of the minion wave.

Illaoi I have no qualms with because she's self-zoning and has almost no damage outside her tentacles and Sheen. Even being a vessel is more a nuisance than anything.

BIH Diamond7/31/2016, 10:07:50 PM8 votes

, we all know she was pretty underpowered until Patch 6.9 where she got some changes. I decided to main her from day 1 and had literally 70% winrate in the first 3 week

She was never underpowered. People just didn't understand how to play her. Now she can 1v3 in ganks and pull off 2 kills. Pathetic

Dominick Destine8/1/2016, 5:17:22 AM3 votes

Illaoi received unnecessary buffs and is now broken. But Darius is also broken so it balances out.

Neither are mechanically broken, the numbers are just way too high for both. If Illaoi lost 30% of her damage, then she'd be balanced... Darius needs to lose some of his damage or sustain. Cancer vs Cancer is never a healthy game meta.

The LDC8/1/2016, 6:40:13 AM3 votes

Huh if only illoi didn't have no counter play like you get your soul grabbed by her massive range and width and if you get grabbed and now a days you can't just kill 3 tentacles and be free you have to wait the full 30 secs. Then theres is the r that insta spawns 3 tentacles and she gets 100% life steal from r then she can 1 vs 5 and win the fights. so my personal opinion is that illoi or any champ in general should not be able to 1 vs 5. but darius I think is petty balanced he actually requires some skill (more of just auto attacking and r) to play but illoi has lux q range and width with her grab so pls stop acting like the sht is a nid q width. and most of her attacks are %health so that's pretty op too but mostly just the soul grab and the r needs nerfs. like idk she shouldn't have 100% life steal with r because that's just too op maybe like 50% or something and the atk shouldn't be that high either but that's the thoughts on the illoi thing so have fun with your 0% coutner play illoi. and illoi is never just "dodge the tentacles"

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Saianna8/1/2016, 1:25:15 PM3 votes

Let me tell you a story. When Illaoi came out, we all know she was pretty underpowered

You sure? I remember people saying she was pretty strong with her neverending curse..

I dislike to play against Darius because he's very punishing. Beefy enough to survive and if you happen to get slightly too close you'll get combo'd to death.

Also he limits TOP choices you could have to like 2, maybe 3 and ofcourse even then you have to hide behind turret cause reasons.