Support has too big of an impact for how little autofilled players care about it

Cujoh·1/5/2018, 8:02:51 PM·16 votes·1,978 views

In the bottom 3 tiers of ranked, or 90% of people who play the game, there is a belief that you can only carry by doing the most damage. The most common, and successful, team composition is having a marksmen paired with a shielding or engage support in the bot lane, an ap mage or assassin in the mid lane, a bruiser or tank in the top lane, and a tank or assassin in the jungle. This composition provides frontline, peel, ad, and ap, perfect for winning a teamfight. It is possible to win off splitting and pressure, but in low elo, players are not coordinated enough for this to consistently work.

Support is the least selected role when players queue up, which results in someone getting autofilled support often. Riot believes that autofill protection helps this issue, but it only makes it worse. The person who suffers the most from autofill is me, the low elo ADC. Not only do I have to deal with both solo lanes and the jungler building damage, my autofilled support with pick some worthless ap mage like Lux or Veigar or Zoe. Everyone knows there are 4 forms or income for each team. All three lanes and the jungle. For some reason, the support player will build damage items after maybe completing one support items. I often have to alert my support at 25 minutes to buy a item 2049 and item 3364. The role of a support is not to do the most damage on the team. It's in the name, all you need to do is support the team.

Another problem the autofilled support brings to the table is lack of wave control knowledge and greediness. I spam ping my support when they start attacking the big creep wave hitting my tower as I return from base. The cannon takes enough turret hits for me to get there and collect the rest of the wave, but instead my greedy damage building support decides the wipe the wave and cost me experience as well as gold. Now that I missed about 10-15 creeps of gold and experience, I have to fight the fed ADC who nuked my support when they got caught out trying to farm my wave. Last hitting the casters under tower is another gem. Rarely will my support help with that, but if I get the one who does attack them, its when my creeps are hitting them and I'm playing something like Draven who doesn't need the help.

In the mid-late game, the majority of gold should be collected by the player who needs to buy the more expensive items, which would be the carry champions. I would love to AFK when I see a support pushing a side lane, taking the farm and ruining the slow push that was set up. If I try to explain to this subhuman what they just did and why it was wrong, not only am I wasting time I could be using for map pressure and vision, the support will say "muted" or they will go to another lane and dump all their cooldowns on the creeps. When the ensuing teamfight breaks out, we get ran through since the other team has a tank, item 3107, item 3190, item 3222, and item 3504, while my Lux has item 3165, item 3285, and item 3303 (THE STARTING SUPPORT ITEM). The cost of three of the supports items is equal to the cost of those 2 damage items. This should be a reportable offense, but of course I am the one to blame since I couldn't carry my full damage team.

Riot needs to somehow address the issue of autofilled support players. They are a disadvantage to their team, usually through bad builds or poor map awareness and lack of vision control. They also tend to not care since they know their next game will be autofill protected. Two possible solutions to the issue is to not autofill protect the support player if they lose the game. Thats a tough decision to make, especially since some players like myself actually try when I get support, but something needs to make players care enough to not troll with some garbage ap mage. The other option I thought of is to have both teams receive an autofilled support. This would add a bit of balance to game. Everyone has experienced the autofilled support vs a support main. It doesn't end well for the autofilled player.

Hopefully you guys have some constructive ideas to share below, as this is just my opinion on the role.

67 Comments

Totally Not Jinx1/5/2018, 9:25:03 PM19 votes

You lost me at subhuman.

There are people who legitimately do not like playing Support. I mean thankfully I'm not one of them, and while I do agree on some of your major points, my biggest piece of advice is this:

Stop trying to control other players.

If your support is not doing something you want them to do, the only viable response is to adapt your play style to maximise efficiency.

Yes, it will suck. Yes, you will get frustrated. Another option for you, especially early game, is to purchase a gold income item and just never upgrade it. If you miss waves or your support-that-doesn't-support-properly is taking your farm, at least with item 3301 you get some of that missed income back. Doubly effective if you're a heavy mana user, because that also provides sustain.

And I really, REALLY hate to break it to you, but in games like this, you're not the only one who matters. You never are. If you spend your energy pining over a desire for a proper support, rather than thinking outside the box, you and the rest of your team will suffer. A lot of this post seems like self-aggrandisement wrapped in a sentiment for 'bettering the community.'

I get your frustration. I really friggin' do. But I have seen it from the other side. Players will do things you don't like. On your team as well as the enemy team.

Another awesome thing you can do?

In champ select, if the Support role has been autofilled, and they are not a support player, offer to help them. Be like 'Hey, I know it's not what you wanted, but if you need build ideas/help let me know.' You'd be heckin surprised. Champ Select is more than just locking in, picking skins, and adjusting runes/summs.

Biggest thing though, don't let your ego get in the way anymore.

General Esdeath 1/5/2018, 10:42:36 PM8 votes

I absolutely hate Lux support players. Because every time aside from once, they've gone Doran's Ring and then full AP with no sightstone and just try to shove and "accidentally" take cs while building no defense, no vision, no redemption for healing, etc. It's either a snowball or a drop of water in the desert. And then they question the mid laner pick.

"Jhin mid?" -my support Lux who was mad at my friend for getting mid and she didn't, before she trolled and purchased 2 sightstones and pretended to have no idea what a sweeper was.

Sergeant Wea1/6/2018, 6:32:19 AM4 votes

Oh boy here's one more ADC main bitching about supports. Don't we get enough of this shit ingame? I really feel like the ADC role breeds the most toxicity in the whole entire game. If you have a ap mage support, figure out how to best take advantage of it. The support is the TEAM'S support, not the ADC's bitch

Scary Door1/6/2018, 5:17:12 PM3 votes

Support isn't a desirable role for a multitude of reasons...

Note: I'm not suggesting all of these reasons are perfectly valid, but these are the main reasons people list as to why they don't want ot play support.

  • Generally several levels behind solo laners
  • Very little means of escape or being able to do damage so that when a gank comes in, even if you're well positioned, you're dead
  • You're the first to be blamed (along with the jungle sometimes)
  • You're a free kill after laning phase because of the insane damage
  • You can't carry a game as support (this isn't true, but it is the perception) and people want to carry
  • You're tied to another player... if they do poorly, you do poorly... if they make poor decisions there is often very little you can do to help or counteract it---especially because you're so far behind typically.
  • You have to rely on others to follow up on your engages or picks and if they don't then you're hung out to dry. This might be true with every role, but it's especially so with support.
Whisper871/5/2018, 9:35:44 PM3 votes

I agree with you homie. I play in the Platinum tier and only get a troll support champion once in a while, but it is clear that even when my autofilled supports play a legit champion they don't care and are taking the game off.

Perfect example last evening I played with an Alistar and I am Ashe. On paper this is fine since strong front liner with peel and engage mixed with an immobile adc who also brings cc. But we play against a Vel'Koz and Vayne. Because of Velkoz they get the early push advantage, but we hit lvl 2 just fine. At this point Alistar decides to all in them despite the fact that their wave is like 4 creeps bigger than ours (which is significant damage at lvl 2), and despite the fact that with Velkoz in the lane and Ashe's low burst we are at a damage deficit, and the fact that Vayne took Fleet Footwork so we really had to kill her in the stun to have a chance. Needless to say Alistar dies and I blow heal to try and save him.

I explain to Alistar in kind terms that we have to be more careful about engage because of the early damage deficit, and now that he has died to them, we really should not engage until I get enough damage to kill one of them during his 2 stun combo. He does not reply but engages very soon after in lane, before I am even lvl 6. Again he dies. Now I am left in lane alone and die under my tower.

Bored with the lane he has demolished, he roams mid and leaves me bottom. I try my best to clear with volley from a distance but needless to say they push up and he finally comes bot with there is a wave and a half banging on our tower. But now he is a full 2 lvls behind and I am a lvl behind, jungle comes bot and they dive us 2v3 for a double kill.

I explain to Alistar that we absolutely cannot fight anymore and what we need to do is just farm and wait for ganks. Please do not engage anymore unless we have a clear man advantage. At this point the kills are like 10-5, we still have a chance. What follows is the Alistar continuing to engage over and over anytime he sees a carry whether or not it's a good fight to take and we surrender at 18 minutes. I can only assume that the autofilled support chose Alistar because he wanted to be that playmaking engage, and when he messed up and removed that option for himself he decided that he doesn't care to win the game and will just yolo to make the game end quicker so he can move and have some "real fun" next game.

SUGGESTION TO RIOT: Adjust the severity of reports so that this kind of behavior is as big of a penalty as Intentional Feeding is, and then make both INTing and light trolling as likely to get you banned as harassment is. This would make the game so much healthier.

Salson1/6/2018, 1:06:14 AM2 votes

Never really got the whole Lux/Zoe/random bad mage support. If someone actually wants to do damage they can just play Brand/Zyra with proper builds.

Though one thing that should be noted is that solo laners have superior mechanics compared to Adc/Support on average. So a Midlane main playing Brand can do some serious shit by simply relying on his skillshot precision.

DemonBoneJangles1/5/2018, 11:43:25 PM2 votes

I have to agree with certain points here, ill address them in order to make it easier

  1. yes autofill is not the best thing here especially because it either uses the fill or support options 90% of the time leading to getting someone who just either doesn't care about the role they were given or who cant play the role they were given this is true in both normal and ranked.

  2. this is a continuation of the hate cycle that ADC's and supports have against eachother adc's will almost always blame the support for every little mishap even if the support wasn't in lane at the time, on the flipside supports tend to target their adcs becuase in their eyes the adc is at fault for either not following up on an engage or going in too soon before the support could get into position etc.

  3. you cannot control other players period. if you could this game would have a captain position that observes the map and pings or calls orders to their team (not a bad idea actually) and there would be no need for support as a role. also this applies to ranked and normal because no matter what unless you are speaking directly to them on VC then you cannot give them proper feedback on their actions.

  4. its really tireing hearing that supports pick mages and are trolling when so many "mages" have been gutted to perform as supports or who now struggle in mid and have been delegated to support until they get item or QoL buffs this doesn't however apply to all mages so yes there can still be troll picks

  5. as an adc if you absolutely cannot work with your support please do not take it out on the rest of your team, its better to have 4 people trying to win than 1 person doing bad and 1 person trolling because of the bad person.

  6. not all adc's synergize well with certain supports and not all players synergize well with certain champions. for example your adc might have a hard time playing with a soraka support becuase they are used to a support that deals slightly more damage or who doesn't constantly try to heal them, while your braum support might not be good at playing tanks (personally I can only play tanks in the support role)

  7. I disagree with an adc building the support gold income item just to stay even and I disagree with not letting the support cs when I'm not in lane, I would rather lose a few minions while I'm walking back to lane rather than lose my towers to the minion wave becuase I yelled at my support about csing.

8 and final one. no matter what you have to be patient with people and depending on the time of day and region you play in this can either be easy or difficult

KlydeFrog1/5/2018, 11:38:45 PM2 votes

no one likes to supp period and if its as impactful as you say every one would be wanting to play it. to bad i cant force adcs to build right and stop rushing ie( it cost to much and gives you little in return)

Tibold1/6/2018, 12:59:10 AM1 votes

That's the problem. Being a supportive support (Soraka Janna) just isn't fun. Since, Riot has released playmaking supports (Starting with the release of Thresh, because his kit was originally intended for top lane). Unfortunately, players haven't found it interesting, and that's when things started to go downhill. They released AP supports. That's where the major problem stems from. Because they were originally from mid, they had kits to waveclear, trade and damage to some degree. They were designed to do damage. Because they were moved from mid, like many autofilled players, they don't understand the concept of doing more with less. That's the main problem to address here. They keep the laner mentality, where it's the jungler's job to ward and that they're not supposed to farm or take kills. So here's my tip: REMOVE AP SUPPORTS! I'm a support main myself, and I believe that this is where the problem started.

However, if we do so, even less people will enjoy playing support. People are stuck with: "your KDA means everything". They don't get the support's role.

Preljepa1/6/2018, 1:49:26 AM1 votes

Well as someone who is in that bottom tiers ranked vise and as someone who picks supp role cuz i want to lol(i honestly dont feel confrotable in ranked being the one who has to do all the dmg or whatever) i must say that playing Janna/Soraka for example gets really tiring after a while,however it will sound werid but i hate playing as a tank,i legit cant stand being a tank so i refuse to do so.And i do pick Lux as a support but not witht he build you mentioned above,and it works great. My suggestion would be try not to point out how bad their choices are even if they are using the set of items that u menioned,and also tellin someone what champ to pick or not to pick could be very disturbing.(i for example legit get triggered when someone complains about my picks and im not motivated to win that game)I do agree that autofill sucks but hey its League,something has to triggering xD