"X is one of of the strongest users of Press the Attack"

The Yetii Rider·2/21/2018, 9:06:21 PM·23 votes·3,812 views

Now, I'm glad for these pre-emptive nerfs. It shows that Riot is thinking ahead, trying to keep us from going through a patch of hell where the strong get stronger. That's all well and good.

What I want to know is, in two years when you decide to completely scrap the mastery keystone and start from scratch again, are you going to revert these changes? These are some very heavy-handed nerfs, and Shyvana wasn't exactly the best jungler before Press the Attack was introduced to the game, you know.

Showing initiative before a change is great, but what about after?

48 Comments

ModKnightsKemplar2/21/2018, 9:30:16 PM46 votes

I'm actually more concerned with something else entirely; if you nerf a champ because of ONE choice they can make that is very strong, aren't you pretty much pigeon-holing them into always using that Rune? What about Grasp Shyvana lovers?

There may not be many Shyvs running Grasp, but the whole point of the Rune system was to allow choice. If these champs are too strong with this Keystone, I don't think blanket nerfs are the best way to deal with that, personally. Shyv's base damage nerf is especially worrisome in that vein of thought. Now, they may have the right idea; maybe if you want Twitch's E to do a lot of damage, you should have to spec into PtA, but I would have loved a bit more explanation on that.

Ahristocats2/21/2018, 9:46:34 PM10 votes

meanwhile Warwick

iPooUnicorns2/21/2018, 10:03:35 PM6 votes

Xin Zhao also is getting nerf ~~hammered~~ bludgeoned.

Passive - Determination PASSIVE DAMAGE 20/40/60/80% total attack damage >> 15/25/35/45% total attack damage

Slythion2/21/2018, 10:31:28 PM5 votes

I wish they decided that "showing initiative before a change" applied to Warwick as well. I have a feeling he's gonna be hella busted

Superspick2/22/2018, 3:45:37 PM2 votes

Same thing i said.

On one hand, "we don't want to force champions into a particular choice". Agreed, isn't that the entire purpose behind Runes Reforged?

But they nerf champions over a rune, thereby ensuring that these champions have to pick this rune because they have lost power that Riot determined is too much - so without the keystone, they just lost power period and are baseline less effective through -zero- fault of their own lmao.

Problem is, this is all they can do with what they have created for themselves. This isn't SC2 or CSGO (or whatever "competitive" game is well balanced), this game is basically Smash Bros with all items set to maximum spawn frequency.

DarkSoul19942/22/2018, 12:15:58 AM2 votes

That Xin Zhao change was completely unwarranted. He's not even a contested pick most of the time. There's actually no reason to ever pick him over Jax or Warwick now.

Ionian Vulpix2/22/2018, 2:37:00 AM2 votes

Twitch's nerfs seem really unwarranted. Maybe it's because I'm low elo and don't play ranked, but I literally never see him played.

Entheos Geon2/22/2018, 2:56:19 AM1 votes

The buff to PtA was way too minor for the nerfs to be so harsh. Shy and Xin have been absent from the pro scene for a little while now too.

R33LNAUTI2/22/2018, 3:30:43 AM1 votes

im sorry but you'll never convince me that nerfing Twitch's max rank E by 50% is at all reasonable for a lvl 18 12% increase on a spell you're not gonna cast more than once in a fight unless you make it so that his ult applies the PTA on all targets hit or something

E Man forever2/22/2018, 3:32:20 AM1 votes

It just bugs me how riot is bottlenecking twitch into press the attack

jadelink2/22/2018, 2:42:04 PM1 votes

Ahh...shyv is damned OP. SHe got nerfed this patch for a good reason.

Blåbæret2/22/2018, 2:48:05 AM1 votes

This only goes to show how wasteful it was using time and energy on the new rune system, it basically did nothing but confine champions to certain choices, even more so than before. At least previously you had the option of adjusting your rune stats according to match-up, these days you run the same page for every single match-up.

On top of that they're now nerfing champions because of runes and restricting these champions to a certain rune even more, thus reinforcing the issues with the previous system.

I ask again: What was the point of implementing the new system with all the issues it entailed? You're literally worse off now than with runes + mastery pages. I main Shyv and now you're nerfing her for every other rune pick and forcing her into PtA.

But hey, Riot always takes the easy way out.