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Camille MIGHT be the next Azir/Kalista.

Gandalf The Salt·1/23/2017, 1:37:05 AM·53 votes·3,662 views

Camille is overloaded. I remember Riot saying that they wanted to have champions with clear Strength and weaknesses but then release Camille who has too much strentgh and not enough weaknesses. If she becomes unbalanceable stat wise, she will be gutted like Azir and Kalista and I don't want to see her in such state. I know people are tired of hearing '' Camille OP!$#$!'' but Riot needs to understand that overloaded champions have always caused them a lot of problems. Azir and Kalista had major issue in the past because they had too much and Camille is exactly like them. I honestly like Camille's thematic, but she can't stay the way she is atm.

TAKE THESE PROPOSITIONS WITH A GRAIN OF SALT. I AM NO GAMEPLAY DESIGNER SO I MIGHT BE REALLY WRONG TOO

  • I honestly feels her E is what makes her really powerful since it can travel 2000 unit, has a stun attached to it and Attack Speed. A powerful ability like this one should have higher cd and mana cost. Honestly, the second part shouldn't go over walls (Like Kled's E) since it has already so much, but maybe it's just me.
  • She has too much sustain with her W in lane, make that it only heals on champion and not minions, she can already trade well enough already with her passive.
  • Increase her mana cost on her Q. 25 mana imo is not nothing. Honestly the second part of the Q shouldn't deal 700 true dmg if she has a tanky build. Her Q should be really less powerful when building tanky.
  • When she dies, her ult should also deactivate if it is active on a target. Yeah sure j4 ult stays on when he dies but at least you can escape it.

Honestly, I hope Riot learns with Camille and really refrain themselves from releasing overloaded champions.

EDIT: Just want to clarify some things. As you've read in the title, I've said MIGHT. MIGHT. In no way I am saying that she will become like Azir and Kalista, I'm just saying that the possibilty is there. Didn't want to make some sort of ''hate'' post about Camille, just wanted to share my opinion on her release and overloaded champions.

57 Comments

Handy Sandy 1/23/2017, 1:38:16 AM44 votes

She is balanced because she has strong legs and they keep her upright so she won't fall.

ModCaptainMårvelous1/23/2017, 2:55:33 AM30 votes

Here's the core difference between Camille and Azir/Kalista.

Azir/Kalista were hard to play. Camille isn't.

The former two had struggle when it came to balance because of the massive difference between normal play and pro play. That making azir "balanced" for competitive would make him trash for solo queue. Same with Kalista. There was an impossible middle ground.

Camille, by comparison, doesn't nearly have the difficulty either of them have. Is she flashy? Sure, but she's not so difficult you have to learn special tactics like passing off spears or the shurima shuffle. She's quite easy to play comparative to them. This also means RIot can nerf her harder for pro play without risking her being garbage tier in normal play because of her difficulty.

Slight edit: She's also balanced because you can remove/change things from her kit (Such as ult being on after death or the bonus AS from her E) and still have a strong champion. You can't remove as much from Azir/Kalista because they need SO MANY FACTORS to work. Hell, they gave Kalista an OVERALL ad reduction before removing parts from her kit.

ThePikol1/23/2017, 12:30:49 PM5 votes

It's more like: Camille MIGHT be next Yasuo. Overloaded kit and no hopes for true nerfs.

Asayake 5150glow1/23/2017, 1:40:15 AM4 votes

Her ult is insane in competitive (free guaranteed picks, combined with E means they're long range as well), so if Kalista and Azir were nerfed for pro play... so will Camille. Unless that R recieves major changes.

Blue Moon Wolf1/23/2017, 5:34:30 AM3 votes

I'd like to think that Riot learned from champs like Azir and Kalista when it comes to rebalancing overloaded kits, but we won't know that till they go to nerf Camille or some other overloaded kit. Hopefully she can end up in a good place after Riot nerfs her and break the cycle of Overloaded kits getting gutted to the point the champ can barely function, but only time will tell.

EROTIC RAID BOSS1/23/2017, 6:20:11 AM3 votes

I forget who it was who said they're more likely to nerf Camille's base stats than her E, because, like Vi's Q, hitting her E should be when she's powerful and missing it or having it on CD is when she's weak. That's how its supposed to work, in theory, and it makes sense. Except it feels very hard to miss that ability. She does seem a little more manageable at least with the ult nerf and shield nerf.

WoonStruck1/23/2017, 7:24:08 PM3 votes

That's what they get for trying to make an Irelia 2.0.

Was easy to see coming from a mile away.

E GIRL SNIPER1/23/2017, 5:06:38 AM3 votes

No because kalista and azir took tons of games to be good enough to abuse, Camille takes about 3.

Keevalroy1/23/2017, 2:53:13 AM3 votes

MIGHT be the next Azir/Kalista? LOL! Add Yasuo, Ekko, and Fiora to that list too since they're in the same cancer boat as Azir and Kal.

Look at her kit - of course she's going to need a rework. Let's let Jag, a defender of toxic champions and unhealthy champions make one of his own. Wait, he made an overloaded abomination who's unbelievably toxic to play against? Woah...who coulda seen that coming? It's almost as if the live team wants to appeal to spectators over the regular playerbase. 🤔

SpecterVonBaren1/23/2017, 2:31:41 PM2 votes

Eh, not really. She's far more like Ekko was than those two.

YuGiHo1/23/2017, 2:49:15 AM2 votes

I doubt it, why would they gut camille who is a new champion and not to do anything to irellia who is older and very similar.

Slimegoon1/23/2017, 6:21:13 PM2 votes

Her ult is the real problem. She could use some tuning on damage, mana costs, and her E range, but her ult leaves no room for counterplay. It has a massive size, significantly bigger than anything similar, which catches people even a decent distance away. It doesn't require a skillshot and it's not telegraphed so you can't avoid it. And the biggest problem, for some reason you can't flash/dash out of it. That needs to go ASAP, and I'm not sure how it got there, considering Riot lets you escape every other similar skill.

Sire Hippington1/23/2017, 10:15:51 AM1 votes

i'd rather say she's the next shen: Her ULT has to much potential in coordinated play, and the rest of her kit will be slowly gutted over that.

Spoofghoul1/23/2017, 4:00:51 PM1 votes

camille is more like the next reksai

even if they nerf her damage

her utility remains

Oleandervine1/23/2017, 4:04:07 PM1 votes

Camille is not going the route of Kalista or Azir because every single one of her problems can be corrected with number tuning (with the exception of the ult thing everyone is calling for, but that's a non-extensive programming fix too). Azir and Kalista had fundamental problems in their kit design that created volatile, detrimental effects when powerful. This is why they were gutted and left there; There is no amount of number tweaking that can fix Kalista's insane utility or Azir's ability to do everything at once. Camille is not in that same boat, even in the slightest.

Kryptix1/24/2017, 4:11:36 AM1 votes

Tbh, her kit feels like it was designed for "cool" ideas that never should have made it past the brainstorming stage.

"Give her TWO auto resets in one ability, but the second does true damage if she waits!" "Ooo, make the outer half of it slow enemies and heal her." "Attack on Titan anyone?" "Guys. Single-target Jarvan ult, but inescapable."

A couple quick bandaid nerfs/changes would do her some good in the short term so she isn't tossed into the garbage like her Diver friends have had the displeasure of having done to them in the past. With her insane banrate, it's difficult for the meta to adapt to her because she never sees the light of day.

  1. Lower shield health % on passive. It's the single most oppressive part of her kit in lane.

  2. Change ult bonus damage to physical. Giving her access to true damage isn't uncalled for (see: Irelia), but giving her access to potent magic damage is unnecessary

  3. Increase mana costs across the board, especially her Q. Why does its cost not increase as it levels?

  4. Lower her base movement speed to 330. It's insane that she has all this mobility AND an MS steroid on top of high base MS.

TheHappyReaperz1/23/2017, 7:23:26 PM1 votes

Except Azir and Kalista where what they were because they were the best. They did what other mid-laners/ADC's did, but better, and with fewer weaknesses. Camille doesn't provide the CC of a tank, she does't have the DPS of a bruiser, and she lacks any real AOE damage. There are better picks than her, and while she is ding her role better than others, she's not doing others role's better than them.

Synnx71/23/2017, 8:40:52 AM1 votes

Who designed Camille ? Dont tell me its CertainlyTrash

Leon Etoile1/23/2017, 8:00:38 PM1 votes

They just need to remove all her passive buffs and cc from her kit. Number wise she is fine but it's true damage. atk spd buff, knock up and an ult you cannot flee.

Quepha1/23/2017, 8:24:16 PM1 votes

I don't think so. She doesn't feel overloaded with out-of-class strengths to me, just simply overtuned with all her in-class strengths being too strong.

What I'm not convinced is that she isn't just another piece on the pile of the diver problem as the "new hotness" diver that pushes all the other divers out of viability until she eats a nerf and then someone else ends up on top (maybe Xin Zhao? seems like he hasn't had a turn in a while), "The Queen is dead, long live the King!"

MetalGearTeemu1/23/2017, 9:21:56 PM1 votes

the last champion riot released with clear strengths and weaknesses was velkoz.

Funny how he wasn't a huge moneymaker... and this shitshow started.

Solidair31/24/2017, 12:50:19 AM1 votes

It's possible but to be honest, I just don't think she has enough going on to make her that much of a problem. I guess we'll see what happens when she's thrown into pro play, but for now it seems like she is SOMEwhat manageable. I think she still needs to be nerfed a bit, but she's almost there.

Frankly, without CotC I wonder if she would OP at all. Eh, I think she would be.

Eternal7911/24/2017, 1:57:38 AM1 votes

She isn't nearly as broken (if at all) as people say. If you took stuff out of her kit or increase the cooldowns, she can't do anything.

Reduce the true damage on her Q (her only decent source of damage) and she's weak. In fact, if she fails at getting her true damage off, she really has no damage at all, while plenty of other champions have more consistent, relatively high damage that, in the long run, puts Camille to shame. However, I will agree that she shouldn't have as much true damage when she builds tank as opposed to damage.

The heal on her W that everyone complains about is her only means of staying on lane when her laning opponent is one that severely counters her, like teemo, fiora, yasuo, xin zhao, etc. If the heal only worked on champions, all those counters would counter her even harder then they need to.

Reduce or remove anything on the E and its utterly useless. Increase the cooldown and she suffers extremely when needing to escape; which she already does (maybe not extremely though) when she just engaged with it.

Her ult should not go down if she dies before the 4 seconds are up because she didn't leave the arena. It's part of Camille's usefulness to her team and to her self.

People complain about Camille being OP because they get ambushed killed by her while pushing on their own, when Camille specializes in 1 on 1's. You don't go off alone when there's a Camille on the enemy team... unless you're one of several champions that she usually can't deal with on her own. I believe she's also meant to be a Champion that you shouldn't tower dive. Unless she just used her ult outside of the tower and had to retreat, you don't dive her. With so many champions that can successfully dive enemies with relative ease, League needs someone that counters that.

So people need to stop complaining and just learn how and how not to fight her.

SolarisCorvus1/23/2017, 11:19:56 AM1 votes

I think i remeber meddler stating somewhere that they were gonna focus on keeping her e strong since thats what makes her unique from other divers. They should neef everything else in her kit to compensate for strong mobilty like decrasing q base dmg and w slow.