Why is Vayne considered busted and Twitch isn't?

Twitch cant kite as well and feels a lot easier to kill since he cant stealth as he pleases and has no disengage and also doesnt shred tanks, he functions more like Rengar. But yes, twitch is op too, only he isnt inherently broken like vayne, but rather needs some numbers lowered.

They're both busted right now. But twitch can't kill you in 2 autos like Vayne can.

he's "broken" but since you can catch him out and he's dead means that he has some counterplay. Meanwhile vayne can 1v1 pretty much anyone, even if you catch her out (seen a vayne 1v1 a fed rengar) But twitch is only good IF HE INITIATES the fight. If he gets caught out he's pretty much dead. Thats why people complain about vayne. You can catch a twitch, but you can't really catch a vayne.

Both of them are extremely busted atm. Twitch is just less frustrating to play against. It's not too hard to CC Twitch and kill him, but Vayne gets to be invisible all over the place which makes it impossible to do jack against her.

Id mainly say is the fact that twitch is slightly easier to deal with and is less played. twitch is less mobile and so champions like vi and lee which seem to be around a lot can easily deal with him by locking him down but with vayne she has a low CD tumble as well as a knock back so shes harder to lock down and kill combined with her killing too hard and fast. But twitch is considered too strong atm too lol

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because twitch has counter play when he is strong, vayne literally has zero counters when she is strong. She has peel, stealth, and can 1v1 duel anyone in the game. This makes her insanely hard to deal with as she can't be dove, only 1 shotted by something like a flash tibbers annie.

Twitch on the other hand can be dove and actually needs peel from his team. any assassin or tank or brusier can 1v1 him.

Even tho both are busted, vayne is clearly just better in every way in the correct hands.

Vayne has the potential to kill everyone in the game 1v1. Twitch doesn't. Vayne can two/three shot a squishy. Twitch can't. Vayne has everything she needs to assassinate the one who was sent to assassinate vayne. Twitch doesn't. Vayne is scary Twitch isn't.

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Though Twitch is finally being acknowledged as being overpowered, yeah, he isn't as hated as Vayne, and tbh I'm not really sure why. People really hate Vayne I guess.

Twitch is objectively out of this world overpowered right now, way more than Vayne is, but people would rather bitch about Vayne.

Twitch has counterplay, Vayne doesn't.

Twitch can be stopped by: Armor, anti-attack speed, pink/red wards, and getting dove.

Vayne cares nothing about any of those things.

Because Vayne wears a bra.

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Oh balance-- twitch is busted too.

They are both getting nerds in 6.24 difference is twitch can't use 3 autos to kill you

Both are broken. I try and Ban both

Regrettably, Riot seems to think Vayne needs to be returned to her early season 6 power-level with buff to BotRK. Her upcoming nerf is only to Q AD ratio, so that she can't just build lethality items and one-shot you with a single tumble. Fortunately, this build requires a lot of items to work. But she will once again be shredding everyone.

The % current HP damage on BotRK was nerfed explicitly because Vayne was so great abusing it. Why Riot is buffing it back up is beyond me.

The base stealth time on Twitch's Q is ridiculously long. It really needs to be cut in half.

Both are overpowering, however the reason gains more hatred and before is because Vayne is a hyper carry, duelist, who can team fight. She can do other people's jobs but better, and has not that many weaknesses in the right hands. This has been and ever growing problem for a long time. She has also been constantly been gaining special treatment from Riot where other champions would get the nerf bat to the ground.

is a champion who is suppose to "bend the rules" for her class. Every class should have one or two champions like that to spice up the game and switch it around. For example tanks have and who are suppose to laugh at a 6 item marksman, used to include Vayne, and break them over their knees like a twig. So they're the anti-marksmen tanks, however when a mage shows up in their face, they break the tanks over their knees. Normally a tank beats a mage but in this case those two tanks get destroyed by a mage, their weaknesses have shifted. However at this point basically has no really huge weaknesses. Her old weakness was weak team fighting, split pushing, and early game. Unfortunately due to the constant buff both directly and indirectly, it is not surprising that Vayne has hit critical mass at this point.

Back in Season 2 picking was risky because she didn't have a strong sustainability due to her W negating her life steal on every 3rd shot, or something like that. In season 3 she got which enhance her tank destroyer and increased her team fighting capabilities hard. In season 5 gives her massive sustainability so now she can deal massive amount of damage and gain massive amount of life back, increasing her dueling and again her team fighting potential. She also receives little nerfs (-3 AD) and then those nerfs get tweaked and reworked into buffs. Her counters get nerfed . Top it off with the items that counter her get nerfed . So between all the buffs at this point she can duel and team fight. Sure she can't team fight as effectively as other carries, but she can still team fight good. Most other duelists whom sacrificed everything to duel, but can't team fight, would dream to be able to team fight as effectively as her. Add insult to injury can out duel any duelist now. So again she does any duelist job but better, and can team fight.

gaining special treatment is just digging her grave. Other champions like and got nerfed to the ground, and righteously so, when they were out of control. Azir and Kalista were both good at everything and had no weaknesses, so they were nerfed until they can be properly balanced again. But Vayne? Nope she keeps just getting buffs and buffs and buffs. was even overpowering before. However due to his kit and being a hyper carry who doesn't bend the rules he is easier to tweak and balance. hopefully this nerf won't nerf him too hard.

Because with tumble, stealth, true dmg & knockback, Vayne is better 1v1 and 90% of players don't team well. (and yeah, I'll include myself in that 90%)

He is.

twitch is OP

Twitch is getting nerfed so I wouldn't say he isn't considered busted

Vayne feels like she has no counter play while twitch does.

Example would be Builds(since vayne does %Hp as True its very difficult to build against that. Stealth(Pinks no longer reveal vayne, while being next to twitch does 1v1(Twitch is pretty shit against divers/fighters/and bruisers because he lacks a self peel like vayne. Fight for flight(You can't run from vayne without a mobility spell, twich become just as immobile when revealed

however twitch has AOE damage(good for team fights meaning he could wipe teams without good reaction time)

Another would be when Vayne is behind she doesn't feel like that she gets 2 items. Twitch can feel like total rubish throughout the game if doens't get crushed.

Twitch is busted. More busted than Vayne.

It's just that Vayne has historically been broken several times, so people are more used to complaining about her.

Because she has an attack multiplier tied to her Q while Twitch doesn't? Twitch has a steroid on his ult, and attack speed on his Q. Vayne has bonus ad on her ult, true damage tied in, and the multiplier on her q. She also has cc and invisibility that she can jump in and out of. Which one of these actually sound worst to you?

I donno, last time I checked Twitch had a 55.5% win rate and played decently

He is considered Op actually. People are finally catching up

Its because it feels like you can play against him. You can reveal his stealth (Unlike someone's) and you can fight him as a bruiser because he has bad self peel, and no %health damage

Vayne tre damage is a very small amount of her kit. People claiming they got two and three shot on a full tank build are full of shit.

Twitch can burn your tank the entire team behind him.

They are both equally op

riots is nerfing twitch but riots nerfs fucking suck 50% of the time because they either neuter the champion cought nidalee 42% winrate (assholes) or they make them stronger in other aspects but i do enjoy the tank meta and the fact that i get to shit on yasuo who are in bronze and think there good because they one trick em

Anyone paying attention to stats knows it (apparently that does not include boards). I've become a pretty huge advocate for the site bestbans.com so you can be aware of that stuff.

Basically, the site breaks down pick rates and win rates to try to find the best champions to ban to maximize your odds of winning. It doesn't tell the whole story, but it's a nice place to start for understanding what wins a lot in your elo.

Isn't Twitch getting a shiton of nerfs in the PBE right now?

They're both getting nerfed because they're both busted right now.