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Better jungler wins...

WeaselRune·10/5/2018, 9:30:15 PM·12 votes·9,488 views

I see this all the time in my games when one side gets crushed, and the jungler has anything to do with it...

The role has become too critical. I know there have been several changes over the seasons to affect the role. Warding trinket changes, changes to the jg that made it so hard barely any junglers were viable....

In some of my recent games, Iv had a couple autofilled junglers that shit the bed hard going 0/5/0 in the first 10-12 minutes, and very recently Rito decided to put a 42% winrate overall player a whole 180 LP lower than me in a game on this account... 180 LP HOLY SHIT! Thats a match making screw up if ever; slightly different issue.

Anyway... One of the biggest culprits in this shitshow performances is counterjungling and invasions. Of course all the snowballing and stupid damage are to blame also.

I know having an impact is an important feeling to enjoying the game, but its hard for the laners to have much agency over the success of a role who roams the whole map. If the role is too critical to the success of the team, and the player is autofilled, or a drunk ape it shouldnt have as much impact as its having on matches.

Sure it sucks for any lane to go hard negative KDA, but Iv come back from a lot of matches like that... Top goes 0/7/1 its a bad spot to be in, but maybe one that can be won if the enemy top laner can be shut down. When its the jungler though, it just seems like there is no coming back. Objective control and gank pressure go away for every lane, and there isnt much they can do about it except hope the slot machine spins in their favor next lobby.

I hope in preseason the jg role balance can be looked at, and kept relevant, but not autolose if they arent a main.

TL;DR

Better jungler wins: True / False?

28 Comments

KirbyCake10/6/2018, 3:55:17 AM6 votes

Jungle is by far the the most broken role in the game. I win 90%+ of the time against plats going jungler when its my weakest role, only around 70% of the time going mid.

There's really no justifying giving the most exp and gold to a role that an impact every lane without losing as much as a laner roaming. When a laner roams and it fails, it's pretty much as bad as dying in lane.

There's a reason why most boosters/smurfs with high win rates will play jungle even if it's not their strongest role. They win by far the highest % of games playing jungle because it is 10x harder to carry a game as the mid laner when your jungler gets shit on by the enemy jungler.

There needs to be sweeping changes such lowering gold/exp and lowering respawn times so junglers have to actually pick between farming or ganking. Also get rid of plants, they serve no purpose except to make strong junglers even stronger.

Hügö10/6/2018, 10:34:38 AM6 votes

Calm down hashinshin.

z63XnLCMwX10/5/2018, 11:34:09 PM5 votes

Better jg helps but can't hard carry. A good jg can only do so much against an enemy team that controls his jg.

MadNoff10/5/2018, 10:16:02 PM5 votes

False. A better jungler certainly helps, but won't come close to guaranteeing wins.

Crispy0Snake10/5/2018, 9:45:53 PM2 votes

You see it in games where the better jgl wins because it's a popular meme in the community

Other games where your mid feeds the other and their mid crushes the game, that's "better mid wins" but no one says it because it's not a meme

Noor Sakata10/6/2018, 1:18:54 AM2 votes

Welp , the rule better jungler wins applies 90% in low elo and gold elo , junglers control matches overall , unless you camp bot lane but they still lose because they are simply horrible

WalkingInACircle10/6/2018, 1:31:13 AM2 votes

True. Skill discrepency in the position is worth at least 2 other positions. When your jungler is impotent, losing lanes lose and winning lanes get ganked.

Bloodnacht10/6/2018, 1:20:48 PM2 votes

Better jungler wins: True / False?

False, i got the most useless Junglers ever in the last 20 ranked games .. so its false AF, its either the JG or the ADC who are useless, but in my experience, BOTH OF THEM.

Jaygo4110/6/2018, 4:54:37 PM2 votes

It's purely a function of the champions that are strong there, how well they scale, and how safe and guaranteed their early game is. I remember when I had to actually land a skillshot to make a gank happen. Remember having to actually hit an Elise Cocoon or a LeeSin Q or a JarvanIV Flag and Drag to actually kill someone in a gank? Remember ALSO how EVEN IF those champions got fed, they still ended up building a lot of tank items in order to shift to a utility focus later in the game? Now I can just walk through a wall and kill them Kayn or just pound them into the floor with auto attacks Graves. After I kill them with damage, I then buy more damage. This time, I just invade the other jungler. Now, the other jungler's team is going to flame him for not ganking and getting "beat." Definitely the better jungler won that one.

0megon2/2/2019, 12:24:44 PM1 votes

Just do not blame it all on junglers. Too many times there is no response from lanes, while the opponents jungler gets all the help, good warding from your team also helps your jungler and makes your laning safe. If you die to every gank opposing jungler attempts, it speaks more about you than about your jungler.

GayFluffyUnicorn10/6/2018, 11:02:20 AM1 votes

And it's here to stay. Rito doesn't want junglers to farm because it is "boring" to watch in LCS.

Also routes and timers and using your brain is too much to ask. Buff,camp, scuttle gank whatever you want and there is nothing a laner can do. Somehow we are okay with this. That i as a toplaner can be sat by the enemy jungle from level 1-7 and even without dieing he lost nothing out of it because my jungler did nothing in the meantime and catch up xp and gold from camps guarantee him to stay in the game. It's worth it because i played a lane bully that didn't get to actually play the game. So i have to stay under turret and can't play the game but somehow that is acceptable by the community and riot. Somehow this is great competitive gameplay that there is absolutely nothing i can do against a jungler that decides to target me and take me out of the game. "but its a teamgame hehexd" "your jungle should be ganking other lanes and take dragon hehexd" yeah but he doesn't for whatever fuckin reason he picks lee sin and afk farms krugs. Nice agency we have there. Why do the two lowest skill roles support and jungle have to have so much agency over the game is beyond me. At some point there needs to be a stop. At some point we need to compare what solo laners have to do to win lane and games and what power they actually have. If midlaners wouldnt play in the MID LANE they would be in the same garbage position as toplaners but they can still roam bot and get fed or easily invade the jungler. One TP botlane from top guarentees me to lose tower from full health even by a maokai. So it has to be a trade off and a once in the game decision to make if its worth it. Jungle? LAWWWWL

Ratpie10/6/2018, 8:40:51 PM1 votes

I can't count how many times I give all my lanes leads with ganks, and smother the enemy jungler, only to have one of my lanes still manage to lose.

Had a round just the other day where I started by ganking bot with skarner, froze their varus so the adc could kill (their supp got away but flashed). Then I went mid and the yasuo burned both ignite and flash, but got away. Then I went and ganked top (a silly susaN that was pushing too far) he burned flash but still died to our top. So in my first jungle cycle we had first blood, 2 kills, 3 assists, and burned most of the other team's summoner skills. Then I went back bot and helped push for first tower. Meanwhile I had taken red and blue from the other team and killed him once. Then top starts playing far to aggressive and gets raped by Susan and our bot gets dominated and we still lose.

TLDR: Your jungler can help give a huge boost for your team, but they can still manage to lose if they play poorly.