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Why Lane Stompers into Late Game Hypers?

RcGjWO640w·1/3/2017, 8:21:06 AM·2 votes·842 views

Why does Riot design champions like this? Champions who are designed to stomp their lane zero contest and then scale up harder than any other champion in the game.

It's the idea of, "Let's make them nearly unstoppable after being fed, then let's make it trivially easy to get them fed" that really confuses me.

People say that there's no such thing as a "no skill" champion, which is true, but when you have cases like Yasuo and Draven who's kits are designed to just be able to stand there, beat you to death and then leave you no room to catch up, it definitely feels that way. When a Draven can stand in one spot and 4 shot you as an ADC at level 6, you don't feel like you got outplayed, you feel like you just got cheated by your opponent playing a champion that is objectively better in every facet than the one you're playing. You don't feel like it was a fair fight at all. You just feel like you lost because your opponent happened to pick a champion who dealt twice the damage with half the items for no reason.

It's so unrewarding too, since it feels like no matter how well you play a matchup, it just comes down to, "If I get within X range of him, I'm dead, even though I'm the better player".

I just feel like if a champion is going to be impossibly strong late game, then they should have to earn it early, not have the win gifted to them for just participating in the match.

12 Comments

Big Lincoln1/3/2017, 8:54:21 AM4 votes

Darius is not a hypercarry. He drops in effectiveness vs organized teams who can kite him and disengage before he gets 5 stacks. He's still relevant, but he is not the main threat late game. Fizz and Fiora aren't lane bullies; in fact, they're pretty easy to beat, especially Fizz pre-6. Viktor is awful in lane before he gets his E augment. Draven is allowed to be strong late game because he has to work harder than any other ADC to keep his damage up. He is the champion that is weakest to all displacements and hard CC because if he loses an axe or both, then his damage is completely gimped. He is fairly rewarded for his efforts.

Jinx, Kayle and Veigar don't lane like ass. Veigar has one of the safest lanes for a mid laner. He is TOO safe for being a champion that can get huge amounts of AP quicker than anyone else; his only real issue is early mana, but that disappears with Lost Chapter. Kayle is a complete bitch to the majority of top laners to deal with; her lane is ridiculous vs champions that don't out range her.

Jinx has always been a meta lane bully; her winrate is actually highest in the first 25 minutes of the game because she has all the tools to get early kills and then snowball out of control.

PureSilvrr1/3/2017, 8:32:21 AM2 votes

Wow, an actual good gameplay thread... Miracles do happen

Zero Skill Tank1/3/2017, 8:42:45 AM2 votes

Kayle lanes like ass.

rite

Critmaster Garen1/3/2017, 8:30:07 AM1 votes

i wouldnt call fiora a hypercarry. her teamfighting sucks dick.

you can parry 1 ability, but youre still going to die as soon as the next one hits you. plus, theyre usually such aoe clusterfucks that you cant even see the vitals on enemy champions.

90% of the time the guy you ult just flashes back into his team, where you cant follow which turns it more into a zoning tool than anything else.

shes insanely strong at 1v1's but simply grouping and having more than 1 cc on your team should beat her.

Chalizard1/3/2017, 9:03:44 AM1 votes

Viktor is not even that strong now, fiora is not hyper carry she is just strong 1 vs 1, Draven is vulnerable for CCs, Darius is easy to cait and to gank, fizz had to snowball or he won't be strong in late game.

Nasus has better win rate than those champs above the same has jinx and kayle has even more while she is late hyper carry and still strong on lane. Vayne and veigar are in fine spot right now.

I thought you will mention champions that are really big issue like Camille with over 50% win rate and good pick rate for a new champion, Caitlyn who is one of the strongest adcs in early and in late game, Ahri, really strong whole game No matter if fed or not and you didn't even mentioned twitch.

GigglesO1/3/2017, 10:16:49 AM1 votes

They like those champions more than the other champions... its about favoritism...

RcGjWO640w1/3/2017, 2:45:19 PM1 votes

Okay, when am I going to learn that the moment I list champions, people will completely forget about the topic and literally do nothing but to seek the invalidation of those specific champions.

Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees.

It doesn't matter what champions I'm talking about, EVERY person who plays League of Legends can acknowledge the existence of these lane bullies who become late game hypercarries. Your OPINIONS on who that is will vary from person to person, but the fact remains that the design aspect of champions who are designed to get an early lead and then become the strongest champions in the game, is a real issue.

CC has never been a valid argument to a champion's power. If that's your argument to late game hypers, then I'll just say, "Okay, then stop bitching about Camille, just CC her and stop being bad"

See how frustrating that argument is? We know that champs like Camille are really strong and she probably is a bit overtuned, but no one is going to say that just because CC exists that it's a proper excuse for a champion to be too powerful. (DISCLAIMER: Before the forum trolls jump on me like I'm saying Camille is "busted", she's not, I think she's very well received, but I will agree with most people that her early damage is slightly overtuned. Not broken. But definitely above average. I personally love her.) There are always mechanics that will invalidate any champion, but that doesn't mean that the existence of those mechanics balances them out.

Now maybe instead of crying about whether Viktor is meta or not, we can talk about what the thread is actually talking about.